Last one for now. to your comment: "Frankly, I never paid attention to it. When these friends disowned me it was very painful. I wish I could have those relationships. I miss them." Well, Dennis same here, and I wish and hope that you can ease your pain, in time.
I spent more than 30 years in the South from where I had to travel the world…
Last one for now. to your comment: "Frankly, I never paid attention to it. When these friends disowned me it was very painful. I wish I could have those relationships. I miss them." Well, Dennis same here, and I wish and hope that you can ease your pain, in time.
I spent more than 30 years in the South from where I had to travel the world. I lived in Southern California, Georgia and South Carolina. I love the South and its people, and I abhor what has happened and the rhetoric that divides us. I too mourn those "friendships" that have turned to derision and even hate for my outspokenness and my opinions gathered through a life of slow travel. I have spent more than 6 Months in 64 places on this earth. I revel in our differences and our similarities. I have been invited to sleep over and eat in Tien An Minh square (and have done so) as one exquisite example...there are so many. My home though was the South and its people... no more.
Where we seem to differ fundamentally is Trump. Definitely not Rudy, one of my heroes too. I mean Football Rudy, not Giuliani, scum that he is). I too have followed him for many years since 1972 when I entered Undergrad. Even then the con game turned me off, and it didn't get any better. Everything that he says he is, is a lie. (But more on that elsewhere if you like). I am/was very successful in business, never had to declare bankruptcy, never stiffed anyone, client or Supplier (and even forgave a couple of them their business sins against me). I, with my team grew our core business to $1.6 Billion. I know, nothing compared to many. I retired when I became very sick, started painting and created from the proceeds of those paintings a school for inner city kids, to let them experience succcess in something other than sports. Trump is a constant looser in business and an actor who is a brilliant purveyor of a non-existent brand.
Also, please Dennis, when I make the effort to get the facts. Do not, again please come back with the standard, "yeah so what about". You ask the question. Do me the courtesy of not answering with a so what about, when I give you overwhelming, as you did, Fact Checkable information. I would lose my interest very quickly if that happened again, and you threw out the crooked Joe "What about" without any evidence of that MAGA false allegation, on your part. That does not amount to a friendly discussion by equals. Very disappointing, my friend. You can do better.
And thanks for Fact Checking me. Now believe me. He is a Looohuser at all of his business ventures, except Acting and Brand leveraging. And I still don't, for the life of me understand his brand, gaudy, ostentatious, pompous, self aggrandizing LOOOOSER? Crazy, but he IS a genius at that.
One more point, which I make at the beginning of my other reply. It's how you do it. I am somewhat proud of my business record, as I have told you.
Yes, I have had to let people go in bad times, but they each had a good severance package plus head hunter help to get them back working again, and I have closed the loop with most of them.
I have never stiffed a supplier or contractor, and always paid a fair price.
I never got any money once I entered Undergrad School, throughout my education from my parents or anyone else except scholarships, and wages earned while at school. Except: one years worth of half my rent as a wedding present (I got married real early). A very small inheritance from my Dad's estate when he died, of which I gave 1/2 to the person my brother and I hired to give him daily care while he rotted away in a good Alzheimers facility. There wasn't a whole lot left, when he died.
I often agreed to not get paid for my work and that of my team and Associates until the results were counted by my client's Accountant. Such projects often took years to complete, and my partners and I financed those projects. Sometimes the client agreed to pay part of my operating costs, mostly not. These projects were usually also risky for my clients, you see they had usually tried to make the necessary changes to their businesses themselves, but were not able to do so. Usually because some ass-hole whom they trusted was stabbing them in the back...politics in business, I tell you, disgusting. So, they were at risk too. But we always earned our money and the clients always paid willingly. I can't say "happily, Dennis, because they knew they paid more than if they had just given me a normal contract. Every one of them paid me but ENRON swine that they were/are.
We even had a case in Spain where we were, by court order, not allowed to take a success based fee. The court determined (for the shareholders) that we had to be paid our normal fees, get this, because our track record of success was so good, that the court felt the CEO was overpaying us, and thereby stiffing his shareholders. Bwahahahahahaha, can you get any better branding than that?
So, again...it's not how much money you make, in my book at least. It is also how you do it. And Trump does not even come close to qualifying in my "club, or league". And, you should be blinded by his money. Money is nothing, it's reputation that counts. Arthur Anderson should know, their handling of ENRONS books was a travesty. And you know the rest. Intensely dislike those guys, I do.
It's how you do it, Dennis. When you have six bankruptcies and stiif workers suppliers and employees, I call that loosing. And when you have the facts, I know you will too. And pleas, my friend do check the facts. Here are the ones I have:
Donald Trump’s businesses have filed for bankruptcy six times between 1991 and 2009, all under Chapter 11 bankruptcy laws, which allow companies to restructure their debts and continue operations. The bankruptcies involved his casino and hotel ventures, including the Trump Taj Mahal (1991), Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino (1992), Plaza Hotel (1992), Trump Castle Hotel and Casino (1992), Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts (2004), and Trump Entertainment Resorts (2009) .
The financial cost to creditors was significant. For example:
• In the 1991 Trump Taj Mahal bankruptcy, creditors lost substantial amounts as the company defaulted on $3 billion in debt .
• By 2004, Trump’s casino empire had accumulated $1.8 billion in debt, leading to losses for bondholders and other investors .
• Workers at his casinos also suffered losses, with over 400 employees losing more than $2 million in retirement savings due to plummeting stock values during the 2004 bankruptcy .
While exact total losses across all six bankruptcies are difficult to calculate, they collectively resulted in billions of dollars in losses for creditors, bondholders, and employees.
I would not call that a business record to be admired. I mean seriously Dennis. How do you go Bankrupt owning a Casino??
And, those are only the bankruptcies. He has always been known to stiff his suppliers and contractors:
Donald Trump and his companies have been accused of underpaying or failing to pay contractors and suppliers for decades. Investigations and legal records reveal the following:
• Scale of Non-Payment: Over 200 mechanic’s liens have been filed against Trump and his businesses since the 1980s, alleging unpaid amounts ranging from $75,000 to over $1 million. For example, during the construction of the Trump Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, at least 253 subcontractors were not fully paid, with Trump’s companies reportedly owing $69.5 million in total.
• Payment Reductions: In some cases, contractors received significantly less than owed. For example, during negotiations for the Taj Mahal project, Trump offered as little as 30 cents on the dollar to some contractors. One contractor eventually negotiated 70 cents on the dollar but noted that many small businesses suffered financially, with some failing to survive.
• Legal Disputes: Trump’s companies have faced at least 60 lawsuits over unpaid bills. These include claims from contractors, employees, and even his own lawyers and real estate agents. Some cases were resolved through settlements that often included confidentiality agreements.
While exact figures are difficult to estimate due to settlements and varying claims, the consistent allegations suggest unpaid amounts likely total tens of millions of dollars over several decades.
Donald Trump and his companies have been accused of underpaying or failing to pay contractors and suppliers for decades. Investigations and legal records reveal the following:
• Scale of Non-Payment: Over 200 mechanic’s liens have been filed against Trump and his businesses since the 1980s, alleging unpaid amounts ranging from $75,000 to over $1 million. For example, during the construction of the Trump Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, at least 253 subcontractors were not fully paid, with Trump’s companies reportedly owing $69.5 million in total.
• Payment Reductions: In some cases, contractors received significantly less than owed. For example, during negotiations for the Taj Mahal project, Trump offered as little as 30 cents on the dollar to some contractors. One contractor eventually negotiated 70 cents on the dollar but noted that many small businesses suffered financially, with some failing to survive.
• Legal Disputes: Trump’s companies have faced at least 60 lawsuits over unpaid bills. These include claims from contractors, employees, and even his own lawyers and real estate agents. Some cases were resolved through settlements that often included confidentiality agreements.
While exact figures are difficult to estimate due to settlements and varying claims, the consistent allegations suggest unpaid amounts likely total tens of millions of dollars over several decades.
I got stiffed by one client once for $250,000, and could not recover. That was ENRON, swine that they were/are. I want my money? I hear they are coming back!? Imagine, Dennis someone stiffing you for your honest work. Would you vote for them? I doubt it. I think you are an honest man, and were hard working for your $$.
Plus he started it all with a gift from Daddy:
According to a detailed investigation, Trump received at least $413 million in today’s dollars from his father’s real estate empire. This wealth transfer began when Trump was a toddler and continued into adulthood, involving gifts, loans, trust funds, and other financial mechanisms, including tax avoidance strategies that were described as dubious or fraudulent.
Fred Trump provided Donnie with extensive financial backing, including funding for his early business ventures, covering personal expenses, and bailing him out during financial difficulties. For example, by the time Donald Trump was 29 years old in 1975, he had already received nearly $9 million in today’s dollars.
Additionally, Fred Trump set up trust funds for his children and gave Donald loans that were often not repaid.
If Donald Trump had passively invested the money he received from his father in an index fund tracking the S&P 500, his wealth would have grown to approximately $1.96 billion by 2018. However, he pursued various real estate ventures and other business activities instead. Despite this inherited wealth.
Last one for now. to your comment: "Frankly, I never paid attention to it. When these friends disowned me it was very painful. I wish I could have those relationships. I miss them." Well, Dennis same here, and I wish and hope that you can ease your pain, in time.
I spent more than 30 years in the South from where I had to travel the world. I lived in Southern California, Georgia and South Carolina. I love the South and its people, and I abhor what has happened and the rhetoric that divides us. I too mourn those "friendships" that have turned to derision and even hate for my outspokenness and my opinions gathered through a life of slow travel. I have spent more than 6 Months in 64 places on this earth. I revel in our differences and our similarities. I have been invited to sleep over and eat in Tien An Minh square (and have done so) as one exquisite example...there are so many. My home though was the South and its people... no more.
Where we seem to differ fundamentally is Trump. Definitely not Rudy, one of my heroes too. I mean Football Rudy, not Giuliani, scum that he is). I too have followed him for many years since 1972 when I entered Undergrad. Even then the con game turned me off, and it didn't get any better. Everything that he says he is, is a lie. (But more on that elsewhere if you like). I am/was very successful in business, never had to declare bankruptcy, never stiffed anyone, client or Supplier (and even forgave a couple of them their business sins against me). I, with my team grew our core business to $1.6 Billion. I know, nothing compared to many. I retired when I became very sick, started painting and created from the proceeds of those paintings a school for inner city kids, to let them experience succcess in something other than sports. Trump is a constant looser in business and an actor who is a brilliant purveyor of a non-existent brand.
Constant loser that’s president of the United States and ammassed a fortune worth over 3 billion? Hmmm
Also, please Dennis, when I make the effort to get the facts. Do not, again please come back with the standard, "yeah so what about". You ask the question. Do me the courtesy of not answering with a so what about, when I give you overwhelming, as you did, Fact Checkable information. I would lose my interest very quickly if that happened again, and you threw out the crooked Joe "What about" without any evidence of that MAGA false allegation, on your part. That does not amount to a friendly discussion by equals. Very disappointing, my friend. You can do better.
And thanks for Fact Checking me. Now believe me. He is a Looohuser at all of his business ventures, except Acting and Brand leveraging. And I still don't, for the life of me understand his brand, gaudy, ostentatious, pompous, self aggrandizing LOOOOSER? Crazy, but he IS a genius at that.
One more point, which I make at the beginning of my other reply. It's how you do it. I am somewhat proud of my business record, as I have told you.
Yes, I have had to let people go in bad times, but they each had a good severance package plus head hunter help to get them back working again, and I have closed the loop with most of them.
I have never stiffed a supplier or contractor, and always paid a fair price.
I never got any money once I entered Undergrad School, throughout my education from my parents or anyone else except scholarships, and wages earned while at school. Except: one years worth of half my rent as a wedding present (I got married real early). A very small inheritance from my Dad's estate when he died, of which I gave 1/2 to the person my brother and I hired to give him daily care while he rotted away in a good Alzheimers facility. There wasn't a whole lot left, when he died.
I often agreed to not get paid for my work and that of my team and Associates until the results were counted by my client's Accountant. Such projects often took years to complete, and my partners and I financed those projects. Sometimes the client agreed to pay part of my operating costs, mostly not. These projects were usually also risky for my clients, you see they had usually tried to make the necessary changes to their businesses themselves, but were not able to do so. Usually because some ass-hole whom they trusted was stabbing them in the back...politics in business, I tell you, disgusting. So, they were at risk too. But we always earned our money and the clients always paid willingly. I can't say "happily, Dennis, because they knew they paid more than if they had just given me a normal contract. Every one of them paid me but ENRON swine that they were/are.
We even had a case in Spain where we were, by court order, not allowed to take a success based fee. The court determined (for the shareholders) that we had to be paid our normal fees, get this, because our track record of success was so good, that the court felt the CEO was overpaying us, and thereby stiffing his shareholders. Bwahahahahahaha, can you get any better branding than that?
So, again...it's not how much money you make, in my book at least. It is also how you do it. And Trump does not even come close to qualifying in my "club, or league". And, you should be blinded by his money. Money is nothing, it's reputation that counts. Arthur Anderson should know, their handling of ENRONS books was a travesty. And you know the rest. Intensely dislike those guys, I do.
It's how you do it, Dennis. When you have six bankruptcies and stiif workers suppliers and employees, I call that loosing. And when you have the facts, I know you will too. And pleas, my friend do check the facts. Here are the ones I have:
Donald Trump’s businesses have filed for bankruptcy six times between 1991 and 2009, all under Chapter 11 bankruptcy laws, which allow companies to restructure their debts and continue operations. The bankruptcies involved his casino and hotel ventures, including the Trump Taj Mahal (1991), Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino (1992), Plaza Hotel (1992), Trump Castle Hotel and Casino (1992), Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts (2004), and Trump Entertainment Resorts (2009) .
The financial cost to creditors was significant. For example:
• In the 1991 Trump Taj Mahal bankruptcy, creditors lost substantial amounts as the company defaulted on $3 billion in debt .
• By 2004, Trump’s casino empire had accumulated $1.8 billion in debt, leading to losses for bondholders and other investors .
• Workers at his casinos also suffered losses, with over 400 employees losing more than $2 million in retirement savings due to plummeting stock values during the 2004 bankruptcy .
While exact total losses across all six bankruptcies are difficult to calculate, they collectively resulted in billions of dollars in losses for creditors, bondholders, and employees.
I would not call that a business record to be admired. I mean seriously Dennis. How do you go Bankrupt owning a Casino??
And, those are only the bankruptcies. He has always been known to stiff his suppliers and contractors:
Donald Trump and his companies have been accused of underpaying or failing to pay contractors and suppliers for decades. Investigations and legal records reveal the following:
• Scale of Non-Payment: Over 200 mechanic’s liens have been filed against Trump and his businesses since the 1980s, alleging unpaid amounts ranging from $75,000 to over $1 million. For example, during the construction of the Trump Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, at least 253 subcontractors were not fully paid, with Trump’s companies reportedly owing $69.5 million in total.
• Payment Reductions: In some cases, contractors received significantly less than owed. For example, during negotiations for the Taj Mahal project, Trump offered as little as 30 cents on the dollar to some contractors. One contractor eventually negotiated 70 cents on the dollar but noted that many small businesses suffered financially, with some failing to survive.
• Legal Disputes: Trump’s companies have faced at least 60 lawsuits over unpaid bills. These include claims from contractors, employees, and even his own lawyers and real estate agents. Some cases were resolved through settlements that often included confidentiality agreements.
While exact figures are difficult to estimate due to settlements and varying claims, the consistent allegations suggest unpaid amounts likely total tens of millions of dollars over several decades.
Donald Trump and his companies have been accused of underpaying or failing to pay contractors and suppliers for decades. Investigations and legal records reveal the following:
• Scale of Non-Payment: Over 200 mechanic’s liens have been filed against Trump and his businesses since the 1980s, alleging unpaid amounts ranging from $75,000 to over $1 million. For example, during the construction of the Trump Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, at least 253 subcontractors were not fully paid, with Trump’s companies reportedly owing $69.5 million in total.
• Payment Reductions: In some cases, contractors received significantly less than owed. For example, during negotiations for the Taj Mahal project, Trump offered as little as 30 cents on the dollar to some contractors. One contractor eventually negotiated 70 cents on the dollar but noted that many small businesses suffered financially, with some failing to survive.
• Legal Disputes: Trump’s companies have faced at least 60 lawsuits over unpaid bills. These include claims from contractors, employees, and even his own lawyers and real estate agents. Some cases were resolved through settlements that often included confidentiality agreements.
While exact figures are difficult to estimate due to settlements and varying claims, the consistent allegations suggest unpaid amounts likely total tens of millions of dollars over several decades.
I got stiffed by one client once for $250,000, and could not recover. That was ENRON, swine that they were/are. I want my money? I hear they are coming back!? Imagine, Dennis someone stiffing you for your honest work. Would you vote for them? I doubt it. I think you are an honest man, and were hard working for your $$.
Plus he started it all with a gift from Daddy:
According to a detailed investigation, Trump received at least $413 million in today’s dollars from his father’s real estate empire. This wealth transfer began when Trump was a toddler and continued into adulthood, involving gifts, loans, trust funds, and other financial mechanisms, including tax avoidance strategies that were described as dubious or fraudulent.
Fred Trump provided Donnie with extensive financial backing, including funding for his early business ventures, covering personal expenses, and bailing him out during financial difficulties. For example, by the time Donald Trump was 29 years old in 1975, he had already received nearly $9 million in today’s dollars.
Additionally, Fred Trump set up trust funds for his children and gave Donald loans that were often not repaid.
If Donald Trump had passively invested the money he received from his father in an index fund tracking the S&P 500, his wealth would have grown to approximately $1.96 billion by 2018. However, he pursued various real estate ventures and other business activities instead. Despite this inherited wealth.