It doesn't matter who he picks. They are all interchangeable, incompetent ass kissers. But it wouldn't matter, he would never let them do anything meaningful anyway - he's the only one with all the power.
My question will always be: whoever the choice is, will they honor their oath to uphold the Constitution to the detriment of their lord and master or not? None of those three would. We must not allow these people in our White House!
No, they wouldn't. Just like many Republican members of Congress, the 6 fascistic members of SCOTUS & Trump himself, they'll break their oath of office.
Yes, and many of his supporters will also argue that we're not a democracy despite it being our form of government. This is the damage that he has caused. He is a traitor to our democratic republic.
Sweetie think of democracy in the wider terms of what it stands for globsally Most people are not getting out their books on the Constitution.
Russia not a democracy. Oh Vladdy has elections for show is that the world you want to live in? Though sadly Trump sure does. He envies Vladdy's power.
Our form of governing is considered a democracy as opposed to a dictatorship, a theocracy, or a monarchy, etc. Countries, like N. Korea are dictatorships and countries ruled by kings/queens are monarchies. Countries, like Saudi Arabia and Iran, as well as Vatican City are theocracies. We fall into the representative democracy, category, hence why we are a considered a democracy for short.
"Section 4 ensures a republican form of government (which, in this case, is synonymous with “representative democracy,” and both of which are opposed to a monarchical or aristocratic scheme – the state derives its power from the people, not from a king or gentry) and guarantees that the federal government will protect the states against invasion and insurrection."
Herein lies the debate, but it seems to me that we are divided based on our mutual contempt for each party, so what many of us define us as is based on our own party affiliation rather than acknowledging that we are both.
Sorry sweetie if you think we are any different than those war mongering propaganda spewing countries you are the one who is confused. Our elections have been a joke for a long time it's just that Trump was ignorant enough to confidently boast about it. There have been others who have won presidency in our country with less votes than their contender. Both sides of isle are working together to keep us divided so we as the American people won't come together and rise up against the thieves who are robbing us blind. My father spent three tourers in Vietnam and before he died in 2020 , with tears streaming down his face, told me he didn't give a Fuck about the flag they would present to us kids at his funeral because that's not the flag he fought for. Both sides of the isle keep us divided so we stay blinded to the fact that they have been selling us out for years. Every great empire has collapsed throughout time always from the inside out before being taken down from the outside. Lady we have been exploding to or years kids like the twin towers. Sorry to say but I have been raised in construction my whole life and anyone who has ever watched construction demolitions can tell you that was all exploded from the inside., but thanks for your intake on the matter.
Jill, heck, Trump thinks he runs everything already and doesn't understand why he can't just take Biden out. He is living in Trumplandia in his mind where electric boats meet sharks and he learned all about NATO in 2 minutes.
If he gets in, he will take Biden and 1000s of others out, and SCROTUS has told the nation that is now permitted. Autocracy welcome mat laid out by the Roberts' crime 6pack.
"...Let’s go back to 1984, when David Bogatin, an alleged Russian gangster who arrived in the United States a few years earlier with $3 in his pocket, sat down with Trump and bought not one but five condos, for a total of $6 million — about $15 million in today’s dollars. What was most striking about the transaction was that at the time, according to David Cay Johnston’s “The Making of Donald Trump,” Trump Tower was one of only two major buildings in New York City that sold condos to buyers who used shell companies that allowed them to purchase real estate while concealing their identities. Thus, according to the New York state attorney general’s office, when Trump closed the deal with Bogatin, whether he knew it or not, he had just helped launder money for the Russian Mafia.
And so began a 35-year relationship between Trump and Russian organized crime..."
Donald has been up to his unkempt eyebrows in Russian mafia money since he was a very young man.
Because he's a narcissist, he will promote the policies from the group that feeds his ego. This makes him dangerous in terms of international influences from our adversaries.
Exactly. The VP will be just another MAGA boot licker who will do what he or she is told to do and nothing else matters. The media forgets how Pence could've been killed, but then again, that's old news to these rating hungry vultures who don't show much interest at what's at stake here. They're getting to be as awful as the felonious fraud they continue to glorify.
Some are more dangerous than others. Some are really conniving. And just like there's a high probability of Biden's VP assuming the presidency during his 2nd term, if he wins, there is also a high probability of Trump's VP becoming President during his 2nd term if he wins. So in that sense, it is very important, because that person will be expected to carry out Project 2025, & that person would actually be less likely (due to being less able) to resist coercion from the people behind Project 2025 to enforce it.
When John McCain picked Sarah Palin to be VP he pretty much lost the election right there. I don't think trump is going to win this but if he picks the wrong VP he definitely won't win. Let's hope his judgment is as poor with that as it has been with pretty much everything else.
I think all the people mentioned as potential Trump running mates are terrible, but I have a hard time figuring out which would help & which would hurt. Ramaswamy, MTG, Noem & Stefanik would probably all hurt. Haley may help. Vance I don't know, but I really don't trust him. And another one who is an enigma is Tulsi Gabbard. She could potentially draw from just about anywhere on the ideological spectrum, which is a plus for Trump if he wanted to get people from outside his base. But I'm not sure how strong it is. It was quite weak when she ran as a Democrat in 2020. But she's smooth & cunning, & she is the one who brought down Kamala in 2020. Tulsi herself didn't get much of a boost out of it, but suddenly one of the top contenders was out of contention because of her. Ben Carson may also be an interesting pick who is hard to fathom. Burgum's only draw is with the very rich. Nobody else likes him. So boring! Tim Scott is an obsequious laughingstock. Kari Lake is deplorable. Byron Donalds can be pretty clever & has some pull among a certain faction of conservatives, & he may be able to attract Blacks more than any other prospect. Rubio has a tendency to embarrass himself routinely, but always seems to recover somehow. Lots of 2-faced hypocrites among this bunch!
The whole bunch of them are trash. For the most part just a bunch of sycophants that I don't think will contribute anything much or take away votes from the Dems. Pence only brought the ones that were already going to vote their way. The only danger I see is Haley. She is also a sycophant but more apparently centrist (she isn't really but can come across that way) and more appealing to the voters that don't like either candidate. She may be a problem if he picks her.
If for some reason, the GOP finally gets a spine & brain & realizes that having a convicted felon, rapist, pedophile, sadonarcissist & traitor as its nominee isn't the wisest idea, they might replace him with Nikki, and if they do, she is likely to beat Biden, unless the Democrats are wise enough to replace Biden with someone of unassailable character & superior competence like Jamie Raskin or Jeff Merkley.
It's so sad that the Republican party, to which I once belonged until Trump, has been infected with such craziness now. What an embarrassment! It began this slide into oblivion during the Obama administration with all of the "birther" nonsense and claiming, in some circles, that Michelle was actually a man, named Michael. We have lost our collective minds now when it comes to politics. Our Founding Fathers have probably been turning in their graves over what this country, that they passed on to each generation, has devolved into and it that has become such a mess.
And MTG is simply an embarrassment to the country. It says a lot about her constituents that they elect her to represent them. She peddles conspiracy theory, and along with Boebert and Gaetz, she rounds out the three top nuts of the fruit cake.
I can find another 3 that come close: Paul Gosar, Gym Jordan & Paulina Luna(tic). Actually, the House is full of them. The leadership itself is quite awful, with Mike Johnson & Elise Stefanik. Worst House ever!
Lois, or at least Trump thinks he will have all the power. He does not know how to do any work, so his sycophants will do most of the work behind his back and only get him to sign things they will describe to him, that he will not read. We are so in deep doo doo.
Yes; because he is too lazy to do the work that the job demands, he will pass it off to someone else who is just as, or more, incompetent and unqualified to do the job. Unfortunately, it has become a popularity contest among Republican/Conservative voters, not one in determining who's the best qualified based on experience.
Sandy, the problem is that Republicans no longer have any idea what "competence" even looks like. They are so enamored with an incompetent fool, they just don't know. Their memories are being carefully crafted to believe Trump was a good president for them: he wasn't. They are brainwashed that he would be an even better president the second time around; in the throes of dementia, he won't. It is sad how easily scared white people can be misled. They can't even tell when they are doing pretty well considering where they were. They have created a magic world where they were nearly rich back then, when Baby Donnie was in charge. It truly is terribly sad and scary too as well as just another set of lies that fit nicely into the new Republican playbook, lie every chance you get so people won't be able to recognize the truth. It is truly despicable, but no one seems to be able to successfully call them on it.
Isn't it a Goebbels' strategy given to Hitler that stated that if you tell a lie often enough and long enough, eventually people will believe it? Hmmm......Trump's fascination with Hitler??
You’re right it doesn’t , Because Trump will never allow anything, but an ass kisser to be his VP. Mike Pence had a brain, and at least some integrity. Trump’s new VP pick will have neither of those attributes.
Mary, there should eventually be a statue or some recognition of your huge contribution to our continuing democratic republic. In the meantime, you are helping COUNTLESS Americans remain resolved and unafraid of your Very Scary uncle. Thank you for ALL you do!!!
Hmmm! You know, I could happily get behind Raskin if the stupid DNC does oust President Biden, though, I sure hope they don't! It's so scary, just the thought of it! But yes, I could imagine Jamie Raskin as a serious candidate.
The thing for me is even if he's all there mentally, I find him very hard to understand and listening to him makes me uncomfortable. I hate him for the genocide, too, but I'll do whatever it takes to block the orange snot.
Same here! I have a problem understanding everything he says too.
One of my brothers stuttered. When we were little kids, he was really hard to understand because it was so strong. But he worked on it himself over the years as he grew up and by the time he passed away a couple of years ago (in his 70's), it was almost non-existent, except if he got really riled up about something.
Hmmmm... I'm seeing Raskin as the potential consensus candidate here, from both those who want Biden to stay in & those who think he should be replaced. Those who know Raskin are mightily impressed with him, & see him as the leading fighter for democracy & against the anti-constitutional conduct of the GOP & SCOTUS. He also serves as the perfect contrast against the Orange Antichrist, & should be able to crush him in a landslide unlike any we've seen since Johnson over Goldwater. And what we need is a landslide to help Democrats win both houses of Congress, discourage attempts by the GOP to steal the election & put away Trump, MAGA, Project 2025 & fascism as the menace to democracy & national cohesion it is today.
If Raskin doesn't feel up to it, having recently overcome a serious cancer scare (although he has already been fearlessly taking on many tough, stressful challenges), then others with similar levels of character, integrity, experience, competence, intelligence, fortitude, eloquence, statesmanship & public approval, like Sheldon Whitehouse, Elizabeth Warren, Jeff Merkley & Pete Buttigieg, are waiting in the wings, while other competent people like Cory Booker, Ted Lieu, Katie Porter, Ro Khanna, AOC, Jay Inslee, Josh Shapiro & Gretchen Whitmer are also potentially good candidates likely to beat either Trump or Haley, or any likely GOP candidate. Now if only the corporate DNC & Democratic establishment finally allow common sense to prevail!
Honestly, I think Mary, because she did draw the boundaries for him NOT to cross, bravely, surely - writing the honest truth about him, unafraid - he’s learned NOT to mess with her. SHE knows what he did to her father, his own brother. Basically ruined his life so he died young - and far more intelligent and cultivated than “The Donald”. He knows she knows and shows no fear.
I’m sure his new VEEP will do exactly what he says. My money is on the nondescript burgum. The other 2 trash talked him once upon a time. Vance is a smarty pants and arrogantly. Rubio is just a punk. The other guy is a lap dog with no personality.
You mean Tim Scott? He’s a lapdog all right. And a token nod to Trump’s nonexistent equality agenda. I’m astonished that any African American (or anyone who isn’t white and male) is able to have any regard whatsoever for Donald Trump, much less vote for him. He’s a racist, misogynist, and all around piece of shit person.
Supposedly it's Burgum, not Scott, although I'm a little surprised about that. I think some of the others besides the 3 Mary named may still have a chance.
Exactly what the Federalist Society has in mind. I bet they already have the AI Veep Robot ready to introduce him at the Convention. He'll be straight out of Central Casting.
What the orange turd did to Nikki Haley reminds me of my father, whose child-rearing philosophy was, I decided as a teenager, "come closer so I can kick you better." This is the garbage of a nasty bully and there's no room for that in the American presidency.
And now Nikki is giving all her delegates to 45 and telliing her supporters to vote for him. She will bring shame to her family and herself.Her poor kids. Her supporters are disappointed in her to say the least. Only in this day and age do we get a woman supporting a convicted felon, giving him all of her delegates, begging ppl who supported her to vote for him. I have lost all respect for her.
I am guessing that she had the same kind of father I had and was also programmed to please him. When that happens, it's very hard to admit that your father figure is an ASSHOLE and smack him upside the head!!!
And kicks her husband and all military to the curb in the process. Didn’t 45 dis her husband asking why wasn’t he beside her while Haley was campaigning? Of course he was deployed in the military at the time. All these “rivals” who run against 45 betray their spouses. Ted Cruz when 45 called his wife ugly.
Rump loathes the US military except Mikey Flynn because they have so much in common and yet Flynn got the boot from Rump's administration early.
Grandpa Trump was kicked out of GERMANY because he dodged their draft. Not a bad idea for dodgers- take away their citizenship. Alas that brought that gene pool to spawn in the USA. My only exception is Grandmother Trump - she was the one that created Trump Org after her husband, the drafy dodger, died in NYC, ironically in the 1918 Flu Epidemic. Now he did make his fortune in the USA back in the free old days but he always planned to live in Bavaria. nice area, with that money &. marry a good German wife. He got the latter at least.
I was actually surprised that she would stoop so low. Maybe I was naïve and believing she was any different. But I did because for fact that she put up such a valiant fight. And I guess maybe I deluded myself because she’s a woman. I really hoped she was different. Oh that’s right, she’s MAGA, What was I thinking?
She has always been like that. She has always been one to just go with the flow. She's a a real flip-flopper. I was surprised so many people hadn't found that out about her through a little bit of research.
How kind of you, David--thanks! It's taken me decades and also many years of therapy to overcome most of the damage, but I still have PTSD and seeing the orange turd on TV is like a red flag to a bull--instant rage! But anger is a very useful tool when carefully directed.
YES! I had a therapist during 2016-20 who told me that a lot of her clients were triggered and struggling. Nasty fathers leave deep, deep damage and it takes a lot of courage to work against all those negative messages. It's been a constant fight but I'm not giving up! I hope you are not struggling, Susan!
Thanks, Susan. I am in my 70s now and still working on going forward despite the messages. I've been able to do lots of good to counteract the effects of men like my father, notably as a philosophy professor encouraging my female students as well as males. The only antidote to that poison seems to be doing some good.
I hope you can channel that anger where it will do the most good. Meanwhile, you're here, among a group of likeminded people who feel as you do about the orange turd, and are working to get rid of him.
I'm trying David, by doing a lot of volunteer work for Dems, especially here in Colorado. It really helps to have this group of like-minded folks. The "Nerd Avenger" series Mary hosts is also really helpful: hearing smart, dedicated people speak the truth. But the anger still sometimes erupts inappropriately at the wrong people and I end up apologizing. Oh, well--we all have our struggles, right?
That's wonderful you're doing the volunteer work. And I love the Nerd Avengers, too! And since you're apologizing, worry less about the anger eruptions. We all certainly do have our struggles, especially with the specter of the orange turd. (Why aren't there dung beetles that specifically eat orange turds?)
Yes, I agree. And we need to consider genetically-modified dung beetles: VERY large ones, with inflated egos, so that they can gobble up the orange turds!
Yes, and I'm not surprised. So many men behave that way toward their children. Even now when I see a photo of a father with his daughter it gives me the creeps--every time. That shouldn't be. Oh--one exception: Obama with his daughters, because I have the sense that he is not a user or a manipulator but a very decent man. And Biden, too: with his kids he seems to be clean.
Ellen, I spent the better part of 40 years in therapy, starting over. It took me a long time to hear the truth about what I had been through, and once I did hear, it was a lot of hard work. But I had a wonderful therapist, a trauma specialist, who loved me through the process and helped me get to where I am today.
WOW: 40 years?? I'm only at about 15! But yes, healing trauma of an abusive childhood is difficult and heartbreaking work, so I send you a big virtual hug. My siblings haven't done the work and don't understand why I am so angry, but as the oldest child I got the abuse in spades, which they did not. Bottom line: we are two strong and determined women who are capable of doing much good in the world despite what we have suffered. The world is a better place because we both survived, at tremendous cost, and we both continue to do good things to counteract all that disgusting and deadly poison.
Ellen, we have way too much in common. I, too, am the oldest, and got way more abuse than my sisters. The middle one turned out a sociopath; the youngest, has done some work but in many ways is still a bit of a mess. One of the best parts of doing the work is that you can get past anger, even to a point of forgiveness. I came to understand that my parents were passing on what they knew. And I have realized that in the end I am probably a much better person for having to go through all the process of recovery, than I would have been if I'd had a rosy childhood. I return the hug, and want you to know that I am with you all the way.
I have lots in common with you both. Both my parents were narcissists, and my father an alcoholic. We moved internationally every 2-3 years from when I was 5. I’m the youngest, but in the dysfunction of the family might as well have been the oldest. Two sisters. The oldest did get a lot of their abuse, but I got dragged around the world the most. And when I went to college, they dumped me at the airport in Bangor, ME, where they were vacationing, and said “see you in a year.” Then they returned to the Philippines.
I’ve been in therapy for decades as well, Susan. I’ve had a lot of tragedy. Wish it had been different, but I agree it’s made me a more empathic person. Mostly. Support and understanding to you both.
I'm so sorry about the sociopath; that's a tragedy. And yes, my parents also passed along what they knew, but they also watched us suffer when they deliberately inflicted pain, both physical and emotional on us, and I saw in their faces that it PLEASED THEM. That I cannot and will not forgive. Watching a little kid cry because you screamed at her until she broke down is not the act of a loving parent, no matter how you look at it. And I agree that we are both better people for having suffered, but isn't it nice to think of the people we have helped to become better people with kindness instead of abuse? I think of some students I was able to listen to, respect, and help in their studies without being nasty and it makes my heart glad. They knew how I appreciated them and it encouraged their achievements.
I can only imagine. It's really hard to experience that kind of behavior in a parent as a small child and then grow up to understand that the rest of the world isn't all like that. I made decisions about trusting people at age 5 that I am still trying to modify nearly 70 years later--sheesh!!
Thank you Mary..the choice has never been clearer or starker..it is Fascism or Democracy…. At 73 I never thought our country could descend this far and this fast into total confusion, oligarchs controlling the narrative, and the rise of a personality cult, a violent cult willing to throw 248 years down the drain for a mobbed up NY real estate charlatan. We’ve got work to do….
I doubt that given a choice between the Constitution and Trump, any of these sycophants will choose the constitution. No chance any of these slices of white bread wil have an attack of conscience
Trumpstream media has no conscience. It serves their corporate owners that are tilting toward MAGA. As always, I mention MeidasTouch, Stephanie Miller, Ring of Fire etc that are holding the line and keeping democracy alive.
If it was going to happen, it would have already. They’re giving Trump the same massive amount of free passes and press as they did the last time. They are scared to death of him. Pathetic.
You’re right. But one also has to remember the gene pool from which they came. Then add onto that their lack of education.
And they all seem to have some kind of axe to grind. The perfect set up for Trump, Dumb, ignorant, and looking for someone to save them. Did I miss anything?
Remember when being proven a hypocrite was a bad thing? Remember when being a convicted criminal was an automatic disqualifier for any public office? Remember when being a serial adulterer was cause for ending a political campaign? Remember when being thought an unlikeable degenerate piece of shit was a political negative? Remember when inciting a riot at our nation’s capitol would have been unthinkable? Remember when rapists went to jail? Those were the days . . .
Why any person with any self respect would ever want to take that position under Trump is beyond me. Trump has zero loyalty and his vice presidential pick is nothing but Donald’s personal shitscreen.
A weird bond those two or perhaps not. Rumpy dragging on Epstein's good looks and I assume charm as it seemed those two were almost attached at the hip. Wonder if Jeffrey was the dominant one?
Ah so their race to see who could rape the most virgins ruined the friendship. Just like Trump to avoid the rules of I got first dibs.
Yet the testimony of many of those girls who were abused and lived to tell the tale by one or both men seems still widely ignored. Including perhaps someone closer to home & part of why Ivana suddenly ended up dead?
From the beginning, I thought Trump had something to do with Ivana’s timely death. She was about to be due the last financial windfall from Donald when she was killed. Yes, I completely believe she was killed.
So there are at least 3 people Trump is suspected of having killed: Ivana, Jeffrey Epstein, & a 12-year old girl named Maria whom Trump supposedly raped.
Oh..anything is possible when it comes to what Trump will do to others. The golf course burial is BEYOND weird and it is sad that her children went along with that. Children USUALLY love their Mom..but then, these are not normal people.
When you are raised to worship the mighty dollar. The useless sons can't afford to lose their allowances and inheritance. Rumpy might screw them in the will. If there is true God, Rump will have nothing let to leave.
Trump the Cheapskate. Ivana earned every penny. She was a large part of the more successful portion of his Trumo Org business and I think at times she was the bigger star or folks tolerated Rump because of her.
Trying to remember was she divorced from him already when he had that big period of six bankruptcies in a short period of time. It is also a tax avoidance vehicle for Rumpy. He was never a patriot, he was all about tax evasions - so much money laundering.
Of course his Russian friends bailed him out from possible bankruptcy when Trump Tower condo sales were going molasses slow so guess who bought several of his condos and few if any ever moved in. Maybe let some lady friends or relatives on trips to NYC . Wash wash rinse rinse.
Helped that Donny was a Democrat for many of those years, I know MAGA likes to act like it never happened. Clearly governors of neither party too interested in putting a real clamp on money laundrying yet when it was so obvious.
I forget the Russia Mafia were silent casino partners. They all hit the East Coast of USA once the Soviet Union disintegrated. I am sure they had a letter of introduction from Vlad!
The war between the Russian Mafia and the Italian Mafia over control of the casinos was brutal until they had a truce. Both sides get a cut. So Donny had to split any profits 3 ways. Right Donny.
Research. I found a online. The lawsuit the girl filed against Trump and Epstein described it. The lawsuit had to be withdraw because she and her family and her attorneys and their families received death threats.
Makes you wonder did someone make sure Epstein was dead, hmmm, who could that have been? Or was there any indication Epstein found out he was to be arrested and took the coward's way out?
I don't think Barr was particularly chummy socially with either Rump or Epstein. But he still is a good old warrior for the Federalist Society cause. Got his children already planted in key position of the US government.
Oh, Mary, I think the orange turd needs a VP who is his exact shadow: how about Eric or Donald, Jr? Has to be a bigoted, misogynistic, egomaniacal, megalomanical, incompetent smelly pile of feces to match the big turd who would be his running mate.
Well, the Not-So-Supreme Court has anointed him to be KING OF AMERICA. Thus, he is even more royal than ever. The Mad King. Just in time for our Fourth of July celebrations, no less.
It won't even occur to DT's VP pick to ask himself what will happen if he chooses the Constitution and the American people over his boss. That type of evaluation isn't in the Veep candidate's orbit. They are so enamored with DT they can't see straight. They are like affection starved puppies just waiting for their master to recognize and approve of them. The whole lot of them are pathetic and nauseating. Can you believe in this day and age that grown men striving for public office act this way? But, then again, that's the way DT likes it. They are easy to control.
Actually, it was something of a surprise that Pence didn't endorse the man who attempted to murder him. For most people in that situation, it would be not be a surprise, but Pence, with his previously unheard of level of sycophancy, had debased himself to such a degree that one could not be sure that he wouldn't continue to do so even after Trump tried to murder him.
I too am surprised that Pence didn't throw his full weight behind the Trump campaign. After all, remember he prayed to the Lord and was able to forgive Trump for having ordered his murder. What a guy!
It doesn't matter who he picks. They are all interchangeable, incompetent ass kissers. But it wouldn't matter, he would never let them do anything meaningful anyway - he's the only one with all the power.
My question will always be: whoever the choice is, will they honor their oath to uphold the Constitution to the detriment of their lord and master or not? None of those three would. We must not allow these people in our White House!
No, they wouldn't. Just like many Republican members of Congress, the 6 fascistic members of SCOTUS & Trump himself, they'll break their oath of office.
I like to refer to those six fascist members of SCOTUS as the Corrupt Six.
Accurate name! I've called them the Fascist 6. I'm trying to remember another reference to them. The Treasonous 6?
Well it seems they are stepping into that territory now......
I refer to them as the MAGA Team 6. They're hell bent on destroying our Constitution and our country.
Why aren't they being removed from Congress reaking the oath.
The constitution is "reformed" to fit Project 2025.
Yes, and many of his supporters will also argue that we're not a democracy despite it being our form of government. This is the damage that he has caused. He is a traitor to our democratic republic.
Sorry definitely can't stand Trump love my constitution but we have never been a democracy we have always been a Republic
Sweetie think of democracy in the wider terms of what it stands for globsally Most people are not getting out their books on the Constitution.
Russia not a democracy. Oh Vladdy has elections for show is that the world you want to live in? Though sadly Trump sure does. He envies Vladdy's power.
Our form of governing is considered a democracy as opposed to a dictatorship, a theocracy, or a monarchy, etc. Countries, like N. Korea are dictatorships and countries ruled by kings/queens are monarchies. Countries, like Saudi Arabia and Iran, as well as Vatican City are theocracies. We fall into the representative democracy, category, hence why we are a considered a democracy for short.
According to U.S. Consitiution.net,
Under Article IV.
"Section 4 ensures a republican form of government (which, in this case, is synonymous with “representative democracy,” and both of which are opposed to a monarchical or aristocratic scheme – the state derives its power from the people, not from a king or gentry) and guarantees that the federal government will protect the states against invasion and insurrection."
Herein lies the debate, but it seems to me that we are divided based on our mutual contempt for each party, so what many of us define us as is based on our own party affiliation rather than acknowledging that we are both.
Sorry sweetie if you think we are any different than those war mongering propaganda spewing countries you are the one who is confused. Our elections have been a joke for a long time it's just that Trump was ignorant enough to confidently boast about it. There have been others who have won presidency in our country with less votes than their contender. Both sides of isle are working together to keep us divided so we as the American people won't come together and rise up against the thieves who are robbing us blind. My father spent three tourers in Vietnam and before he died in 2020 , with tears streaming down his face, told me he didn't give a Fuck about the flag they would present to us kids at his funeral because that's not the flag he fought for. Both sides of the isle keep us divided so we stay blinded to the fact that they have been selling us out for years. Every great empire has collapsed throughout time always from the inside out before being taken down from the outside. Lady we have been exploding to or years kids like the twin towers. Sorry to say but I have been raised in construction my whole life and anyone who has ever watched construction demolitions can tell you that was all exploded from the inside., but thanks for your intake on the matter.
It’s more complicated and nuanced. We are both, or at least we were intended to be both. https://constitutionus.com/democracy/what-type-of-government-does-the-us-have/
You might want to read this. Yes, we have been a democracy. https://americainclass.org/the-expansion-of-democracy-during-the-jacksonian-era/
Very interesting. Thank you for posting.
you know the answer, a resounding NO-they will not uphold the constitution.
He will pick whomever the Federalist Society tells him to pick.
Probably true ... he is their puppet, though he doesn't realize it.
He might even realize it but he just doesn't give a fúçk. Anything to "win" the presidency. And then all hell breaks loose.
Jill, heck, Trump thinks he runs everything already and doesn't understand why he can't just take Biden out. He is living in Trumplandia in his mind where electric boats meet sharks and he learned all about NATO in 2 minutes.
If he gets in, he will take Biden and 1000s of others out, and SCROTUS has told the nation that is now permitted. Autocracy welcome mat laid out by the Roberts' crime 6pack.
Roberts' MAGA Team 6.
Scary times, indeed.
He is afraid of those electric sharks!
LOL!!!
He is Putin’s puppet…that he does realize, however.
Love to read a good treatise on when Vlad had Donny by his widdle balls.
When the Russian Mafia bailed him out due to low sales at Trump Tower or was Trump Tower a Vlad-Trump money laundering scheme from the get go?
Read this WaPo piece from 2019 by Craig Unger entitled "Trump’s Businesses are Full of Dirty Russian Money. The Scandal is That it’s Legal."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/trumps-businesses-are-full-of-dirty-russian-money-the-scandal-is-thats-legal/2019/03/29/11b812da-5171-11e9-88a1-ed346f0ec94f_story.html
Here's a small exerpt...
"...Let’s go back to 1984, when David Bogatin, an alleged Russian gangster who arrived in the United States a few years earlier with $3 in his pocket, sat down with Trump and bought not one but five condos, for a total of $6 million — about $15 million in today’s dollars. What was most striking about the transaction was that at the time, according to David Cay Johnston’s “The Making of Donald Trump,” Trump Tower was one of only two major buildings in New York City that sold condos to buyers who used shell companies that allowed them to purchase real estate while concealing their identities. Thus, according to the New York state attorney general’s office, when Trump closed the deal with Bogatin, whether he knew it or not, he had just helped launder money for the Russian Mafia.
And so began a 35-year relationship between Trump and Russian organized crime..."
Donald has been up to his unkempt eyebrows in Russian mafia money since he was a very young man.
Thanks for posting that, very interesting indeed.
Because he's a narcissist, he will promote the policies from the group that feeds his ego. This makes him dangerous in terms of international influences from our adversaries.
In which case it could be somebody nobody has been talking about .
Ivanka? Jr? Eric?
Just for shock value…
Exactly.
To him, the Federalist Society is like MBS, but he listens to them even more. He likes 'em, he makes lots of money from them.
Or the Federalist Society. Or Putin.
Exactly. The VP will be just another MAGA boot licker who will do what he or she is told to do and nothing else matters. The media forgets how Pence could've been killed, but then again, that's old news to these rating hungry vultures who don't show much interest at what's at stake here. They're getting to be as awful as the felonious fraud they continue to glorify.
Some are more dangerous than others. Some are really conniving. And just like there's a high probability of Biden's VP assuming the presidency during his 2nd term, if he wins, there is also a high probability of Trump's VP becoming President during his 2nd term if he wins. So in that sense, it is very important, because that person will be expected to carry out Project 2025, & that person would actually be less likely (due to being less able) to resist coercion from the people behind Project 2025 to enforce it.
Someone needs to ask Putin who he wants to be VP.
CLARENCE THOMAS
When John McCain picked Sarah Palin to be VP he pretty much lost the election right there. I don't think trump is going to win this but if he picks the wrong VP he definitely won't win. Let's hope his judgment is as poor with that as it has been with pretty much everything else.
Yes, Palin was a disastrous pick for McCain.
I think all the people mentioned as potential Trump running mates are terrible, but I have a hard time figuring out which would help & which would hurt. Ramaswamy, MTG, Noem & Stefanik would probably all hurt. Haley may help. Vance I don't know, but I really don't trust him. And another one who is an enigma is Tulsi Gabbard. She could potentially draw from just about anywhere on the ideological spectrum, which is a plus for Trump if he wanted to get people from outside his base. But I'm not sure how strong it is. It was quite weak when she ran as a Democrat in 2020. But she's smooth & cunning, & she is the one who brought down Kamala in 2020. Tulsi herself didn't get much of a boost out of it, but suddenly one of the top contenders was out of contention because of her. Ben Carson may also be an interesting pick who is hard to fathom. Burgum's only draw is with the very rich. Nobody else likes him. So boring! Tim Scott is an obsequious laughingstock. Kari Lake is deplorable. Byron Donalds can be pretty clever & has some pull among a certain faction of conservatives, & he may be able to attract Blacks more than any other prospect. Rubio has a tendency to embarrass himself routinely, but always seems to recover somehow. Lots of 2-faced hypocrites among this bunch!
The whole bunch of them are trash. For the most part just a bunch of sycophants that I don't think will contribute anything much or take away votes from the Dems. Pence only brought the ones that were already going to vote their way. The only danger I see is Haley. She is also a sycophant but more apparently centrist (she isn't really but can come across that way) and more appealing to the voters that don't like either candidate. She may be a problem if he picks her.
If for some reason, the GOP finally gets a spine & brain & realizes that having a convicted felon, rapist, pedophile, sadonarcissist & traitor as its nominee isn't the wisest idea, they might replace him with Nikki, and if they do, she is likely to beat Biden, unless the Democrats are wise enough to replace Biden with someone of unassailable character & superior competence like Jamie Raskin or Jeff Merkley.
It's so sad that the Republican party, to which I once belonged until Trump, has been infected with such craziness now. What an embarrassment! It began this slide into oblivion during the Obama administration with all of the "birther" nonsense and claiming, in some circles, that Michelle was actually a man, named Michael. We have lost our collective minds now when it comes to politics. Our Founding Fathers have probably been turning in their graves over what this country, that they passed on to each generation, has devolved into and it that has become such a mess.
And MTG is simply an embarrassment to the country. It says a lot about her constituents that they elect her to represent them. She peddles conspiracy theory, and along with Boebert and Gaetz, she rounds out the three top nuts of the fruit cake.
I can find another 3 that come close: Paul Gosar, Gym Jordan & Paulina Luna(tic). Actually, the House is full of them. The leadership itself is quite awful, with Mike Johnson & Elise Stefanik. Worst House ever!
Lois, or at least Trump thinks he will have all the power. He does not know how to do any work, so his sycophants will do most of the work behind his back and only get him to sign things they will describe to him, that he will not read. We are so in deep doo doo.
YES CUS ORANGE HEAD IS IGNORANT OF ALL POLITICS AND HAVE NO WAY OF COMMUNICATING WITH HIS SENTENCES TO THE PUBLIC AS A DUMB PRESIDENT
Yes, he is not at all articulate and he is difficult to follow with his incomplete sentences that go here, there, and everywhere.
Yes; because he is too lazy to do the work that the job demands, he will pass it off to someone else who is just as, or more, incompetent and unqualified to do the job. Unfortunately, it has become a popularity contest among Republican/Conservative voters, not one in determining who's the best qualified based on experience.
Sandy, the problem is that Republicans no longer have any idea what "competence" even looks like. They are so enamored with an incompetent fool, they just don't know. Their memories are being carefully crafted to believe Trump was a good president for them: he wasn't. They are brainwashed that he would be an even better president the second time around; in the throes of dementia, he won't. It is sad how easily scared white people can be misled. They can't even tell when they are doing pretty well considering where they were. They have created a magic world where they were nearly rich back then, when Baby Donnie was in charge. It truly is terribly sad and scary too as well as just another set of lies that fit nicely into the new Republican playbook, lie every chance you get so people won't be able to recognize the truth. It is truly despicable, but no one seems to be able to successfully call them on it.
Isn't it a Goebbels' strategy given to Hitler that stated that if you tell a lie often enough and long enough, eventually people will believe it? Hmmm......Trump's fascination with Hitler??
oh yes absolutely. everything with him is just in his own mind.
Meanwhile, his staff would probably be sitting there crafting nooses all winter.
You’re right it doesn’t , Because Trump will never allow anything, but an ass kisser to be his VP. Mike Pence had a brain, and at least some integrity. Trump’s new VP pick will have neither of those attributes.
Since he is not a Spring Chicken himself…does he give any thought to his VP as a successor?
Thank you Mary!! It is so horrifying. We are all boiled frogs.
Unwilling participants in Groundhog Day in Hell.
Mary, there should eventually be a statue or some recognition of your huge contribution to our continuing democratic republic. In the meantime, you are helping COUNTLESS Americans remain resolved and unafraid of your Very Scary uncle. Thank you for ALL you do!!!
Maybe Mary should run for office....
E.Jean Carroll thinks Mary is the only one who can beat the Felon!
Trump vs. Trump? An interesting concept, no doubt!
LOL
i wish! But I also Jamie Raskin would run if we lose Biden...and I hope we don't!!!!!!!
Yes to Raskin!!!
Hmmm! You know, I could happily get behind Raskin if the stupid DNC does oust President Biden, though, I sure hope they don't! It's so scary, just the thought of it! But yes, I could imagine Jamie Raskin as a serious candidate.
The thing for me is even if he's all there mentally, I find him very hard to understand and listening to him makes me uncomfortable. I hate him for the genocide, too, but I'll do whatever it takes to block the orange snot.
Same here! I have a problem understanding everything he says too.
One of my brothers stuttered. When we were little kids, he was really hard to understand because it was so strong. But he worked on it himself over the years as he grew up and by the time he passed away a couple of years ago (in his 70's), it was almost non-existent, except if he got really riled up about something.
Hmmmm... I'm seeing Raskin as the potential consensus candidate here, from both those who want Biden to stay in & those who think he should be replaced. Those who know Raskin are mightily impressed with him, & see him as the leading fighter for democracy & against the anti-constitutional conduct of the GOP & SCOTUS. He also serves as the perfect contrast against the Orange Antichrist, & should be able to crush him in a landslide unlike any we've seen since Johnson over Goldwater. And what we need is a landslide to help Democrats win both houses of Congress, discourage attempts by the GOP to steal the election & put away Trump, MAGA, Project 2025 & fascism as the menace to democracy & national cohesion it is today.
If Raskin doesn't feel up to it, having recently overcome a serious cancer scare (although he has already been fearlessly taking on many tough, stressful challenges), then others with similar levels of character, integrity, experience, competence, intelligence, fortitude, eloquence, statesmanship & public approval, like Sheldon Whitehouse, Elizabeth Warren, Jeff Merkley & Pete Buttigieg, are waiting in the wings, while other competent people like Cory Booker, Ted Lieu, Katie Porter, Ro Khanna, AOC, Jay Inslee, Josh Shapiro & Gretchen Whitmer are also potentially good candidates likely to beat either Trump or Haley, or any likely GOP candidate. Now if only the corporate DNC & Democratic establishment finally allow common sense to prevail!
It's a huge dilemma.
As all of the people who speak out bravely against Trump, but even more so, Mary does so at great personal risk. I so admire her courage & integrity.
Honestly, I think Mary, because she did draw the boundaries for him NOT to cross, bravely, surely - writing the honest truth about him, unafraid - he’s learned NOT to mess with her. SHE knows what he did to her father, his own brother. Basically ruined his life so he died young - and far more intelligent and cultivated than “The Donald”. He knows she knows and shows no fear.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’m sure his new VEEP will do exactly what he says. My money is on the nondescript burgum. The other 2 trash talked him once upon a time. Vance is a smarty pants and arrogantly. Rubio is just a punk. The other guy is a lap dog with no personality.
You mean Tim Scott? He’s a lapdog all right. And a token nod to Trump’s nonexistent equality agenda. I’m astonished that any African American (or anyone who isn’t white and male) is able to have any regard whatsoever for Donald Trump, much less vote for him. He’s a racist, misogynist, and all around piece of shit person.
Supposedly it's Burgum, not Scott, although I'm a little surprised about that. I think some of the others besides the 3 Mary named may still have a chance.
Uncle Tim?
Might as well give the job to an AI robot. More efficient. Well when you consider hard work is not a GOP strong suit.
Exactly what the Federalist Society has in mind. I bet they already have the AI Veep Robot ready to introduce him at the Convention. He'll be straight out of Central Casting.
And with his name, he sounds like TFG’s favorite food!
Oh my! No wonder Donald has been going on and on about "The Late, Great, Hannibal Lecter"! LOL!
The Convicted Felon does not really want a partner; he wants a partner in crime.
Or a patsy.
"a lap dog with no personality" Like Pence but even worse
You know it’s JD. Process of elimination.
He would be my top bet. I find him particularly contemptible.
Also..he has tons of money to throw Donnie’s way.
What the orange turd did to Nikki Haley reminds me of my father, whose child-rearing philosophy was, I decided as a teenager, "come closer so I can kick you better." This is the garbage of a nasty bully and there's no room for that in the American presidency.
And now Nikki is giving all her delegates to 45 and telliing her supporters to vote for him. She will bring shame to her family and herself.Her poor kids. Her supporters are disappointed in her to say the least. Only in this day and age do we get a woman supporting a convicted felon, giving him all of her delegates, begging ppl who supported her to vote for him. I have lost all respect for her.
What Haley did is not surprising. She's as big of a phony and fraud as the turd she's endorsing.
I guess I had a little more faith in her bc the ppl backing her were :"nevertrumpers."
Actually are “Turdettes”.
So I found out!
I am guessing that she had the same kind of father I had and was also programmed to please him. When that happens, it's very hard to admit that your father figure is an ASSHOLE and smack him upside the head!!!
And kicks her husband and all military to the curb in the process. Didn’t 45 dis her husband asking why wasn’t he beside her while Haley was campaigning? Of course he was deployed in the military at the time. All these “rivals” who run against 45 betray their spouses. Ted Cruz when 45 called his wife ugly.
Rump loathes the US military except Mikey Flynn because they have so much in common and yet Flynn got the boot from Rump's administration early.
Grandpa Trump was kicked out of GERMANY because he dodged their draft. Not a bad idea for dodgers- take away their citizenship. Alas that brought that gene pool to spawn in the USA. My only exception is Grandmother Trump - she was the one that created Trump Org after her husband, the drafy dodger, died in NYC, ironically in the 1918 Flu Epidemic. Now he did make his fortune in the USA back in the free old days but he always planned to live in Bavaria. nice area, with that money &. marry a good German wife. He got the latter at least.
He also called Ted’s father a “murderer”.
Usually, women have more nerve and bravery but Nikki is different. Typical Republican politician. Empty inside.
Nikki: Its either that or the firing squad. She knows what he'll do.
I was actually surprised that she would stoop so low. Maybe I was naïve and believing she was any different. But I did because for fact that she put up such a valiant fight. And I guess maybe I deluded myself because she’s a woman. I really hoped she was different. Oh that’s right, she’s MAGA, What was I thinking?
She has always been like that. She has always been one to just go with the flow. She's a a real flip-flopper. I was surprised so many people hadn't found that out about her through a little bit of research.
I'm sorry you had to cope with a father like that.
How kind of you, David--thanks! It's taken me decades and also many years of therapy to overcome most of the damage, but I still have PTSD and seeing the orange turd on TV is like a red flag to a bull--instant rage! But anger is a very useful tool when carefully directed.
I totally understand where you’re coming from. I’m sure that Trump is a trigger for many people, for different reasons. I also can relate to that.
YES! I had a therapist during 2016-20 who told me that a lot of her clients were triggered and struggling. Nasty fathers leave deep, deep damage and it takes a lot of courage to work against all those negative messages. It's been a constant fight but I'm not giving up! I hope you are not struggling, Susan!
Good on you, Ellen, for doing the work. It's hard, but well worth it in the end.
Thanks, Susan. I am in my 70s now and still working on going forward despite the messages. I've been able to do lots of good to counteract the effects of men like my father, notably as a philosophy professor encouraging my female students as well as males. The only antidote to that poison seems to be doing some good.
No words-just hugging you, Ellen. You are a survivor.
Oh, THANKS, Jen! I appreciate the hug so much!
I hope you can channel that anger where it will do the most good. Meanwhile, you're here, among a group of likeminded people who feel as you do about the orange turd, and are working to get rid of him.
I'm trying David, by doing a lot of volunteer work for Dems, especially here in Colorado. It really helps to have this group of like-minded folks. The "Nerd Avenger" series Mary hosts is also really helpful: hearing smart, dedicated people speak the truth. But the anger still sometimes erupts inappropriately at the wrong people and I end up apologizing. Oh, well--we all have our struggles, right?
That's wonderful you're doing the volunteer work. And I love the Nerd Avengers, too! And since you're apologizing, worry less about the anger eruptions. We all certainly do have our struggles, especially with the specter of the orange turd. (Why aren't there dung beetles that specifically eat orange turds?)
Yes, I agree. And we need to consider genetically-modified dung beetles: VERY large ones, with inflated egos, so that they can gobble up the orange turds!
It seems we had the same type of dad, Ellen.
Yes, and I'm not surprised. So many men behave that way toward their children. Even now when I see a photo of a father with his daughter it gives me the creeps--every time. That shouldn't be. Oh--one exception: Obama with his daughters, because I have the sense that he is not a user or a manipulator but a very decent man. And Biden, too: with his kids he seems to be clean.
You are not alone in having an abusive father, Ellen. Mine was abusive in a different way, but my mother was more like your father.
That's AWFUL, Susan! How did you survive and become such a kind person after that?
Ellen, I spent the better part of 40 years in therapy, starting over. It took me a long time to hear the truth about what I had been through, and once I did hear, it was a lot of hard work. But I had a wonderful therapist, a trauma specialist, who loved me through the process and helped me get to where I am today.
WOW: 40 years?? I'm only at about 15! But yes, healing trauma of an abusive childhood is difficult and heartbreaking work, so I send you a big virtual hug. My siblings haven't done the work and don't understand why I am so angry, but as the oldest child I got the abuse in spades, which they did not. Bottom line: we are two strong and determined women who are capable of doing much good in the world despite what we have suffered. The world is a better place because we both survived, at tremendous cost, and we both continue to do good things to counteract all that disgusting and deadly poison.
Ellen, we have way too much in common. I, too, am the oldest, and got way more abuse than my sisters. The middle one turned out a sociopath; the youngest, has done some work but in many ways is still a bit of a mess. One of the best parts of doing the work is that you can get past anger, even to a point of forgiveness. I came to understand that my parents were passing on what they knew. And I have realized that in the end I am probably a much better person for having to go through all the process of recovery, than I would have been if I'd had a rosy childhood. I return the hug, and want you to know that I am with you all the way.
I have lots in common with you both. Both my parents were narcissists, and my father an alcoholic. We moved internationally every 2-3 years from when I was 5. I’m the youngest, but in the dysfunction of the family might as well have been the oldest. Two sisters. The oldest did get a lot of their abuse, but I got dragged around the world the most. And when I went to college, they dumped me at the airport in Bangor, ME, where they were vacationing, and said “see you in a year.” Then they returned to the Philippines.
I’ve been in therapy for decades as well, Susan. I’ve had a lot of tragedy. Wish it had been different, but I agree it’s made me a more empathic person. Mostly. Support and understanding to you both.
I'm so sorry about the sociopath; that's a tragedy. And yes, my parents also passed along what they knew, but they also watched us suffer when they deliberately inflicted pain, both physical and emotional on us, and I saw in their faces that it PLEASED THEM. That I cannot and will not forgive. Watching a little kid cry because you screamed at her until she broke down is not the act of a loving parent, no matter how you look at it. And I agree that we are both better people for having suffered, but isn't it nice to think of the people we have helped to become better people with kindness instead of abuse? I think of some students I was able to listen to, respect, and help in their studies without being nasty and it makes my heart glad. They knew how I appreciated them and it encouraged their achievements.
Oh yes, so relate on a personal level.
I can only imagine. It's really hard to experience that kind of behavior in a parent as a small child and then grow up to understand that the rest of the world isn't all like that. I made decisions about trusting people at age 5 that I am still trying to modify nearly 70 years later--sheesh!!
Nikki Haley is a good person, to bad she is an idiot.
Thank you Mary..the choice has never been clearer or starker..it is Fascism or Democracy…. At 73 I never thought our country could descend this far and this fast into total confusion, oligarchs controlling the narrative, and the rise of a personality cult, a violent cult willing to throw 248 years down the drain for a mobbed up NY real estate charlatan. We’ve got work to do….
We have a lot of work to do!
But how? Other than getting out the vote.
I worry that the Fascists are working to damage our votes, too.
I doubt that given a choice between the Constitution and Trump, any of these sycophants will choose the constitution. No chance any of these slices of white bread wil have an attack of conscience
I keep wondering when the mainstream media will have an attack of conscience. No evidence of it so far.
Trumpstream media has no conscience. It serves their corporate owners that are tilting toward MAGA. As always, I mention MeidasTouch, Stephanie Miller, Ring of Fire etc that are holding the line and keeping democracy alive.
If it was going to happen, it would have already. They’re giving Trump the same massive amount of free passes and press as they did the last time. They are scared to death of him. Pathetic.
Too much of the MSM has been purchased by DARK MONEY.
You are right...they have no conscience. They don't even know what it means!
You’re right. But one also has to remember the gene pool from which they came. Then add onto that their lack of education.
And they all seem to have some kind of axe to grind. The perfect set up for Trump, Dumb, ignorant, and looking for someone to save them. Did I miss anything?
What makes anyone think they will be given a choice??? We’ve all heard the plans for anyone who doesn’t toe the Trump line.
Conscience? They are soulless.
Remember when being proven a hypocrite was a bad thing? Remember when being a convicted criminal was an automatic disqualifier for any public office? Remember when being a serial adulterer was cause for ending a political campaign? Remember when being thought an unlikeable degenerate piece of shit was a political negative? Remember when inciting a riot at our nation’s capitol would have been unthinkable? Remember when rapists went to jail? Those were the days . . .
I remember! We need to bring those days back.
No doubt that whoever he picks will be worthless
Not just worthless: incompetent, stupid, useless, empty-headed, and above all EVIL. The orange turd has no regard for decency.
Why any person with any self respect would ever want to take that position under Trump is beyond me. Trump has zero loyalty and his vice presidential pick is nothing but Donald’s personal shitscreen.
Everything Trump touches…dies. Yet..they are so weak, they cannot resist. Weird.
Bet he liked the puppy killer ..once.
You are terrific Mary! Thank you.
With Trump, any VP will be nothing more than a lap dog/paper tiger/stooge.
Darn, Epstein is dead…he loved that guy, looks like they had a close bond!
A weird bond those two or perhaps not. Rumpy dragging on Epstein's good looks and I assume charm as it seemed those two were almost attached at the hip. Wonder if Jeffrey was the dominant one?
They were close until Donnie raped and abused a new teen sex slave. Epstein was furious. He wanted her first (true story).
Ah so their race to see who could rape the most virgins ruined the friendship. Just like Trump to avoid the rules of I got first dibs.
Yet the testimony of many of those girls who were abused and lived to tell the tale by one or both men seems still widely ignored. Including perhaps someone closer to home & part of why Ivana suddenly ended up dead?
From the beginning, I thought Trump had something to do with Ivana’s timely death. She was about to be due the last financial windfall from Donald when she was killed. Yes, I completely believe she was killed.
So there are at least 3 people Trump is suspected of having killed: Ivana, Jeffrey Epstein, & a 12-year old girl named Maria whom Trump supposedly raped.
Oh..anything is possible when it comes to what Trump will do to others. The golf course burial is BEYOND weird and it is sad that her children went along with that. Children USUALLY love their Mom..but then, these are not normal people.
When you are raised to worship the mighty dollar. The useless sons can't afford to lose their allowances and inheritance. Rumpy might screw them in the will. If there is true God, Rump will have nothing let to leave.
Trump the Cheapskate. Ivana earned every penny. She was a large part of the more successful portion of his Trumo Org business and I think at times she was the bigger star or folks tolerated Rump because of her.
Trying to remember was she divorced from him already when he had that big period of six bankruptcies in a short period of time. It is also a tax avoidance vehicle for Rumpy. He was never a patriot, he was all about tax evasions - so much money laundering.
Of course his Russian friends bailed him out from possible bankruptcy when Trump Tower condo sales were going molasses slow so guess who bought several of his condos and few if any ever moved in. Maybe let some lady friends or relatives on trips to NYC . Wash wash rinse rinse.
Helped that Donny was a Democrat for many of those years, I know MAGA likes to act like it never happened. Clearly governors of neither party too interested in putting a real clamp on money laundrying yet when it was so obvious.
I forget the Russia Mafia were silent casino partners. They all hit the East Coast of USA once the Soviet Union disintegrated. I am sure they had a letter of introduction from Vlad!
The war between the Russian Mafia and the Italian Mafia over control of the casinos was brutal until they had a truce. Both sides get a cut. So Donny had to split any profits 3 ways. Right Donny.
Powerful men NEVER listen to girls..or women, in general. It is shameful. Also, wasn’t one of the sons at home when Mom “fell” down the stairs?
How do you know that's true?
Research. I found a online. The lawsuit the girl filed against Trump and Epstein described it. The lawsuit had to be withdraw because she and her family and her attorneys and their families received death threats.
Plenty of people have brought it up.
I do remember in 2016 a case being dropped.
I didn't know the 16 yr. old was the victim.
You can look up the lawsuit it was filed in California in 2016
Sounds probable. Wonder why the MSM ignores it?
Lost his wing man or was Donny the wing man or spectator?
Makes you wonder did someone make sure Epstein was dead, hmmm, who could that have been? Or was there any indication Epstein found out he was to be arrested and took the coward's way out?
No way Epstein took his own life…too many things in that scenario that don’t make sense.
Especially when Barr had just visited him. “Visited”? Were they friends, too? Sure. You betcha.
Epstein was already arrested. His death occurred in jail even though he was supposed to be under 24-hour surveillance.
Not TOO suspicious, right? After BARR visited? They were not friends, too, were they?
I don't think Barr was particularly chummy socially with either Rump or Epstein. But he still is a good old warrior for the Federalist Society cause. Got his children already planted in key position of the US government.
Pedo Bros
Until their falling out over a bidding war on a mansion.
I have a strong suspicion it was Trump who had Epstein eliminated.
Ya think?
For sure.
Way past time for the MSM to take up THIS interesting subject. Epstein and Trump…Pedo Bros.
Great title for movie!
Birds of a feather and all that….
Wonder if most pedophiles tend to have been victims first.
Oh, Mary, I think the orange turd needs a VP who is his exact shadow: how about Eric or Donald, Jr? Has to be a bigoted, misogynistic, egomaniacal, megalomanical, incompetent smelly pile of feces to match the big turd who would be his running mate.
He thinks he's a monarch. Why not? Keep it all in the family.
Well, the Not-So-Supreme Court has anointed him to be KING OF AMERICA. Thus, he is even more royal than ever. The Mad King. Just in time for our Fourth of July celebrations, no less.
It won't even occur to DT's VP pick to ask himself what will happen if he chooses the Constitution and the American people over his boss. That type of evaluation isn't in the Veep candidate's orbit. They are so enamored with DT they can't see straight. They are like affection starved puppies just waiting for their master to recognize and approve of them. The whole lot of them are pathetic and nauseating. Can you believe in this day and age that grown men striving for public office act this way? But, then again, that's the way DT likes it. They are easy to control.
Isn't it possible that one or more of them dislikes him and wants to be VP in the hope that Trump will die during his term?
While both of those things may be true, it doesn’t make them heros or decent humans.
You got a point there!
But they should know better bc they were all witness to what he tried to do to his last vice president. Duh.
Trump had better watch his back!
Wishful thinking.
either that or someone will make it happen.
Vlad.
Oh, for sure. Will they be serving him special tea?
Actually, it was something of a surprise that Pence didn't endorse the man who attempted to murder him. For most people in that situation, it would be not be a surprise, but Pence, with his previously unheard of level of sycophancy, had debased himself to such a degree that one could not be sure that he wouldn't continue to do so even after Trump tried to murder him.
I too am surprised that Pence didn't throw his full weight behind the Trump campaign. After all, remember he prayed to the Lord and was able to forgive Trump for having ordered his murder. What a guy!
What a moron
Nah, probably behind closed doors "Mother"said:
"That m-f-er just tried to have you killed!"
His wife undoubtedly stopped him. She had had enough.
More likely “Mother” (Pence’s wife) put her foot down.
It doesn't matter who Donald will choose. It'll just be another person for him to throw under the bus.
Is it one of Ginnie’s buses?