Trump would be banned from your kids school and most workplace’s in the country. He should also be ineligible for a security clearance SF86 just from his multiple bankruptcies alone.
Trump’s enablers just want to get him thru the finish line and get things ready to install evil incarnate JD Vance who will rival Putin. A man void of morals, decency and integrity. Zero respect for women or any laws. The perfect Hitler.
I couldn't have said it better myself Vance I a woman hater if you don't have kids I'm 72 abd I never had kids even though I was married 34 years I'm a widow for 5 years
I know a lot of people think that this is all Peter Thiel's setup for Vance to take over. But I'm not so sure it will happen, even if that is Thiel's plan.
Trump has always looked out for number one and doesn't trust anyone. I'm sure he's figured out by now that Vance is a potential power rival. So I'm sure he'll stock his Cabinet with his most loyal toadies and/or family members, so he can't be 25'd.
He also now has immunity for "official acts." which he could interpret any way he chooses, should anyone challenge him.
That's his plan from the beginning he will never leave after 4 years that's why he is telling people to vote and they won't have to vote again. Then his sons dumb and dumber will be put in charge when he dies or before. He has planned this all out for the past 4 years+ and he tells us every day. BELEIVE HIM he will turn the United States in to Russia. We should be really scared.
Because those are seriously sick if they vote for Trump. Women are dying because of him, especially in Texas, so if your a women and vote for him you are sick.
Edythe Kirk, holding Kamala-Waltz signs in MA, right across the street were Women for T(can’t bear to even spell out his deplorable name!). The man handing out our signs said about them: ‘it’s an oxymoron!’ Of course those women wouldn’t recognize that
4 syllable word. I’m beginning to think that many of these women have been
either incested and are unconsciously identifying with the perpetrator, or enjoy being subservient. Subservient position: don’t have to think out of the box. **I did happen to notice that almost every single one of those women were obviously overweight, 9 out of 9.
Let's try another approach. I can't understand why any man would vote for him. It says more about the male species than about the female. By voting for him, men are indicating their tacit approval of his actions. They may not engage in such actions, but they don't find it so repugnant that they won't vote for this creature who exalts man's basest nature. As for the women? Stockholm syndrome. Misogyny, the majority political party in this country.
Let's try another approach, why would ANYONE vote for him other than insanely wealthy people who feel like they have not reaped all the windfall that they are entitled to.
Not only wealthy people. Have you seen interviews with some of those maga supporters? I swear some of them escapef from the local insane asylum. That's what I think of when I think of tRumps maggots.
I wonder, too if these men realize their tacit approval is being internalized by the women around them.
There are many reasons women don't want to report but would a daughter, for example, trust asking a father for help who is so enthusiastic towards a rapist? Would she even want him to find out? Would she question which side he is on and just not want to test it? Even if it is an unconscious thought. Do these men consider this?
If any father feels like that then a daughter's relationship with him would be strictly superficial if any at all. Of course she would never tell him anything meaningful but a father like that probably wouldn't care.
They do! He gets away with doing things they wish they could do with impunity. If you notice, those that support him are either extremely wealthy (buttering their own bread) or those in lower income brackets who want to stick it to the Man for their own lives which are are often affected negatively by their own actions, drug use, crime, Domestic violence. They are envious of his ability to get away with breaking every law, social and ethical law known to man. He preys on their anger, feeds it. They are often not well educated, believing owning an arsenal of weapons is much more important than sacrificing their own obsession for the safety of others. Inherently selfish, they do not seem to understand that left wing government is so much better for them financially than right wing "freedom"(which isn't freedom at all! They are sucked in to his depravity. It's a sad state the world is in at the minute.
He’s totally disgusting and no woman should vote for this so called man. He’s been handed everything to him and never has been able to manage his affairs. So many bankruptcies , and selling of products is insane really.He is far from masculine and actually repulsive. He is a poor excuse for a man.
Donable Lector is the Mt Everest of the creepy old man down the street who gets off on molesting women of all ages. If anyone needs to be deported, it is the slimmy deranged sexual deviants that grovel into Maggot Nazi rallies.....they worship the Orange Melting Pumpkin that hates America........so get rid of these traitors.
Here is a man's perspective, which may seem strange in some ways: One of the many reasons I would not vote for him is that he can get away with things that I, as an XY-carrying Homo sapiens, would like to do, but I cannot. If I tried, I would probably not be able to get away with it. Therefore, I also dislike him for this reason and would not vote for him. This may sound like a twisted perspective, but it is what it is. After all, I am human.
Quoting an old saw in Latin doesn't make what you said any more smart or interesting. If the 'men' that vote for him really think like you do, then there's no hope for the human species. I can see why birth rates are falling worldwide; women now have the option not to reproduce with such vile specimens and there are sadly a lot of you losers about...
With reactions like this, I’m almost considering to vote for him. But it is too late for me, I already mailed it in. Maybe next time I’ll keep my options open.
I understand what you are saying. But I think that many other men are voting FOR him precisely for the reasons you're voting against him. They'd like to get away with everything he has, too. And if he's elected, they hope that they'll be able to rape, pillage and loot along with him.
If he does become the dictator he aspires to be, they're in for a rude awakening.
I wholeheartedly agree that it’s the MEN who vote for DJT that shock ME, displaying how THEY would LOVE to be in Trump’s position, getting away with sexual assaults, marrying Eastern European models, and doing whatever criminal acts he desires by scaring people off with his big money!
D's lifetime pattern of reprehensible behavior casts him as the ultimate of boors, yes rapists. As Mary has pointed out, he has gotten away with all this for his entire life and so
he has no incentive to correct his evil ways. He will deny it all to his dying breath.
Look at what "The Real Winemaker" says in comments above. If he really is representative of what many men think, then I reckon women will have to re-evaluate how 'civilized' their husbands, father and sons really are, in truth...
I do not think like him. However, a high percentage of men I have known do. That is why most of my friends are women.
I take minor issue about saying “will have to re-evaluate how ‘civilizized’ ….”. Re-evaluate? Life for most women has been a shit-show for thousands of years till the present. The percentage of “civilized” men who actually think about women’s issues and perspectives is quite low throughout the world and likely much less than 50% in the USA.
Unfortunately, there are many women who go along with these attitudes.
And people have wondered why I didn't marry! This discussion is pointing out how depraved and disgusting men are for the most part. Why purposely saddle yourself with these people. It's a weakness.
I think it would be better to question whether anything realwinemaker said is actually from a human. The responses seem far too perfectly crafted and some of them don’t address a point. Also, who parenthetically states the use of an emphasized US is not a reference to the United States, unless coming from a foreign bad-actor. The only real thing these responses accomplished was to distract and divide.
I think this disappoints me the most because they are our elected officials and they should have protected us from him years ago. And impeached him. No matter the consequence.
I think that for some women, there's a certain appeal to being totally submissive. If you let someone else dominate you, that person (in their minds) will protect you and provide for you. You don't have to take any responsibility for your own well being and actions.
Of course, the idea that a man will take care of you forever if you let him dominate you is disproved every day in divorce court and women's shelters, but it's psychologically powerful and culturally supported in many communities.
Sadly, the world's major religions encourage people to be blind followers and to "believe" rather than think. They also encourage women to submit themselves to men's authority and to accept a secondary role in all aspects of life.
If you grow up in that sort of household, it's hard for a girl to develop the self-confidence to feel that they can make their own way in the world and think independently.
My father told me as a young child--be kind to people but above all---Do Not take any crap from males. If you are in a situation that you have trouble handling---Come tell me and I will handle it.. And he DID.
As a widow I experienced the cultural pressure to be paired up to the extent of being publicly taunted and socially shunned because I didn't "have" a man. I remember thinking - oh, no one told me I was supposed to climb in when my husband was being cremated.
I married again several years later. He was abusive, greedy, entitled to sex, money, adoration when in reality he was a self absorbed, unattractive and exceedingly stupid man. The first separation was a month after our wedding. I filed for divorce less than a year later. He stalked me for several years and eventually assaulted me.
I had fallen into the fairy tale trap that he would always take care of me. In reality I am very lucky to be alive and I will never again partner with a man as long as the dominant culture refuses to acknowledge the part they have played in setting up the abuse of millions of women and the lack of support available when we are abused. The fact is that in some of my lower moments I wish he had killed me. Perhaps then he would suffer some consequences and I would be at peace and free of fear.
I find it incomprehensible that any person in possession of any sort of ethical or family values could possibly think that Donald Trump belongs in the Oval Office. Trump is immoral and amoral - his own words, repeated endlessly at his rallies, define him. He speaks openly about his authoritarian plans, yet his voters just brush it off as "political rhetoric". "Owning the Libs." But the evidence shows that it's far more than that. He abuse the office before, when there were still some people of integrity in key positions. They won't be there this time. How on Earth could anyone see that as a good thing?????????
Women who vote for him are the ones who have been brainwashed they're not good enough, who want to take a back seat in their life and feel safer having some BIG MAN telling them what to do. If you have your will broken with "blanket training" or grow up never learning to have healthy boundaries, you end up with a lack of self worth and support these types of men.
I know what I thought the 1st time I heard “that”guy’s voice, disgust and repulsion, it grated on down to my very soul. The tone of his voice had a fake, yucky ick to it, of someone trying too hard, the word smarmy came to mind. I felt goosebumps on my skin. I wanted to flee, get as far away as I possibly could to protect myself. Even though, that creepy voice was coming from the tv. It was way too similar to one I’d heard growing up from my father, when he got a certain look in his eyes. He’d tried to cozy up, in a way that just didn’t feel right, when I was about 9 years old.
It was after my mother had gotten very upset about something, and wasn’t like herself. She wasn’t happy, and didn’t want to talk to my dad. She wouldn’t tell him why. At first he tried to get me to talk to her, to see if she would tell me what was wrong. She wasn’t talking to me either. I was scared, dad finally gave up trying to talk to my mom, just said I was the only one who would listen. He started coming into my room at night to talk, he started laying down next to me. Asked me if I was lonely,cause she didn’t seem to talk much to me either. I said yes, she didn’t say much to me too.
Then he told me I was almost as big as mom, she was tiny. I could wear her shoes already, I’d fit into her high heels, she’d been surprised, when I told her I tried them on! I said That upset her, but he laughed, and told me she was only 4’9” tall. Already, in 4th grade, I was the same height and size as my mom, but I looked like a little girl. Then my dad sounded wistful, you remind me of your mom when I first met her, before we got married. Did you know she dated my brother, Uncle Kenny before I met her?
Surprised, “No, really? He’s even bigger and taller than you daddy!!” How tall is he? “6’3” and he was 240#’s even then, a big guy, your mom looked like a girl, like you.”
My dad was 6’ and 185# then, still trim. A handsome man with black hair and blue eyes, at times I’d overheard him described as a “ladies man,” for being complimentary to wives of their friends, after telling my mom how lovely she looked. He Alway’s did that. His eyes lit up whenever my mom dressed up, looked pretty when they went out.
What I also noticed, how she couldn’t seem to accept the Compliment. It seemed to embarrass, flustered her. She’d reject it. He’d wince, act hurt, try to cover it, by complimenting the rest of the ladies. I appreciated it when he gave them to me and said thank you. Didn’t get what why she acted that way.
But, after that time when I was 9, something did happen: I overheard her tell a friend a friend of my dad’s tried to “come on to her” and she was horrified, angry, furious, offended. Make it clear to him, he was Rude, how dare he. Got furious at my dad, refused to have the guy & his wife seen as a couple ever again, was furious with my dad because, he wasn’t insulted at the guy’s behavior. He’d seen it as a compliment my mom was desirable! She was now livid with my dad, Not speaking with him for his attitude, unforgivable in her mind.
After that, he started cozying up to me, instead of her. Too young to understand any of this, I just knew, neither one was there For me! And what he was trying to do was Not Appropriate, unwanted by me. So I Got Defensive with my dad, found was to Keep trying to push him away. Mostly by keeping my dog in my room. Turning away from him, out talking him, asking him lots of questions- trying to distract him. I got tired of him calling my mom as “poor, innocent, little, mama.” My thoughts were always, What about me?” I’m supposed to be a kid, in 4th grade! Years later, In therapy, I learned the WORD Boundaries!
There were Missing Boundaries in my Parent’s Lives, so of course, when They ran into Problem’s Neither of them Had Normal Boundaries! I Needed And Deserved Healthy Normal Boundaries! Did the Best to Give them to Myself, To hold back Needy Adults, who never got Their Normal Needs Met, and In their inner desperations, tried to get them met from Inappropriate Kids or People!
Back to Trump….THIS IS WHAT HE DOES-DEMAND & / Or PUSHES PAST, TAKE WHAT HE WANTS. IGNORES BOUNDARIES/ SNEERS / Out of his Desperate Inner Needs, Never Met. He has No BOUNDARIES - ASSAULTS WOMEN
A woman neighbour of mine has this weird hate for other women.....as a guy, I do not really understand this at all. Could this kind of feeling bring a women to sell out another and vote for the Orange serial rapist???
Years ago, an ex girlfriend of mine got sucked into a cult........I would get notes under my door from these freaks to stay away........totally understand the power of Donable Lector's capability to be a psycopathic cult leader.
It IS a cult he leads, since his followers have lost their critical thinking skills since they are never convinced by facts, they just endlessly repeat what Trump and his Republican followers say!, they are emotionally hooked!
There are a lot of studies, both cultural and psychological, how women are coerced to oppress other women. I grew up with a grandmother who always said her one daughter ruined the family of 5 sons...
Mary, I know what I think, too. As chilling as Stacey Williams' story is, what got to me most was where you said he has "a patriarchal fantasy of the subjugation, infantilization, and sexualized punishment of women". To me that screams that he is a pedophile. I've always wondered about that, knowing that he sexualized Ivanka even when she was a baby.
I didn't think the weird sexual overtones and undertones of Trump and his Cult could be any more nauseatingly inappropriate. And then I heard Tucker spin his perverted fantasy.
That was beyond creepy. That was a permission slip for violence against women who don't do what they want, or do what they're told. The scariest part of this whole nonsense is how popular it is.
I’ve been saying for months that Trump lovers are dying for a “Daddy” that will take care of everything. None of that messy grown-up Democracy for them!
The cultists fail to realize that Trump won’t take care of anybody but himself! We can see that people mean nothing to him !! I don’t and never will understand anyone that would vote for this monster!!
Just have to say that after receiving my Kamala - Removes Stubborn Orange Stains shirt about a month ago, I have found that any woman who is nice to me is a MAGA gal. I had thought that meant they accepted the worst sort of manners, lies ad infinitum, demonization of the "other", and all sorts of inhumane policies. Now I realize many of them are simply uninformed, and are parroting the people in their lives they look up to. I hope people will be able to look for the good in each other when this is all over.
I’ll find it very hard to see the good in those who support fascism. Ignorance is not a good excuse, especially now, when there are so many choices of media available.
True, it's impossible to sympathize with people who really are aware of these plans and support him anyway, but it seems like most of his supporters gained their opinions from other people, and those people watch Faux News or Newsmax and are not even told about all the bad things the Hater in Chief plans for the nation and has done personally. I know Thomas Jefferson said the only security of all lies in a free press, but having a subset of the press being a disinformation industry turned out to be very costly.
I agree with your analysis. Again, however, I can’t find good in “the good Germans” of WW2, and if these “good Americans” elect Trump, there’s no good in them, either. Being a good person is caring about the less fortunate; not demonizing people who don’t look like you or belong to your religion or don’t have “the American family” as their ideal. And not electing a man who mocked a disabled reporter on TV, for the world to see. There’s no excuse for these people.
I’m tired of people, including the media, explaining why ordinary people are voting for a man convicted of sexual assault; a felon who cozies up to dictators; and on and on. I understand WHY they’re entranced by him: they live in small towns or rural communities or are rich mfers who DGAF about anything but themselves — and don’t look now, but maybe they ain’t too bright. I know that they’ll smile even at strangers and welcome newcomers to their block. All Auntie Bea and Sheriff Andy. And go to church. And kill our country without being smart enough to really want to do it. As my mother would say: “Feh!” 😡
I think many are not enthralled with him at all. Just so uninformed they actually believe he was good for the economy. I find it hard to excuse the fact they do not care about access to reproductive healthcare, but I had a friend who had previously had a tubal pregnancy and used to hang out with a bunch of gals who were social workers, teachers, worked for C.P.S. or child probation and can't help wonder if all the horror stories I've heard are just not as common as I have believed. And to be totally honest, yes some women have liked my shirt and were nice before and now they are even nicer -too bad they are 18-20 years old. I'm hoping Gen-Z will turn out in such numbers that we don't have the gift of a second tRump presidency. If we do, like the first one, it will be a gift from cranky old people.
The fact is many people in the United States are poorly educated. This is a big part of the issue. Because they're under-educatrd they're working two jobs maybe three jobs don't and don't have time to listen to politics of what's going on around them. But what they do recognize is a strong man who's willing, he says, to help them out of their predicament. That's exactly what they're looking for and that's exactly what they are promised. What they don't know is that it's all a bunch of lies.
Poorly educated, hardworking people (often immigrants) used to be Democrats and were very suspicious of Republicans in general (for good reason). I agree that most of these Trump supporters don’t have the time (or interest) to follow politics. But why did they fall for a con man from NYC, far from their peaceful little country towns filled with cows and barns and meth addicts? Trump IS a master at conning. And I know well that not only rubes have fallen for his many wiles: my close friend (now former) with a Master’s degree is now a Trumpist. She’s from Queens, too, and used to be a liberal….
From my experience with close relatives and friends that have been brainwashed by Fox News, they just refuse to believe it and others are so used to bad behavior by men towards women they just shrug their shoulders.
Yes! It’s so sad I saw one woman in an interview at a rally actually saying those women were lucky.. that she wishes Trump would grab her by the ****! How terrible is it that these rallies have made women feel so subjugated 😔
I'm sorry I don't necessarily agree with you. Yes these women are brainwashed but many of these women and men magas appear to be mentally ill people off the street. Very crazy.
Still stunning to see how many go along with it. I doubt that a great percentage are even really aware of the entirety of his agenda, they learned a positive opinion of the man from the people in their lives.
Not only do they not care but they are encouraging it. I'm sure their internal polling is telling them that they are losing women badly and they have decided to double down on young men. We hear all this talk about a Civil War but what they really want is a gender based war.
I think you hit the nail on the head. And it’s horrifying that they feel (probably rightfully) that the way to appeal to young male voters is to perpetuate the idea that the subjugation and sexualization of women, even girls, is just dandy.
I see, and understand, what you're saying. And you're absolutely right they want a gender war. But since there are men that support women they will also have a civil war.
THIS!!!^^^^ My VERY first thought when I read about how Ivana died was that it was no accident. And that she’s buried on his New Jersey golf course property makes it not subject to her body being exhumed. I would be curious as to what exactly is in that coffin.
I'm pretty sure the motives for burying her in his golf course were more nefarious than tax consequences. I have no clue about the laws up there, but it seems as if it would be much harder to exhume her body and contents of casket from private property. Not impossible, but he could tie it up in so much red tape he'd be dead by the time it was approved.
If you declare your business a cemetery, you don't need to pay any taxes. So his golf course is free and clear now and for forever. And I agree with you, he threw some other worthy shit in there that he cared about more than he cared about the mother of his precious Ivanka.
I was attacked by a reader who said I was abusing Don's reputation as a champion for women! Wow! I sent the person a picture of Ivanka's overgrown grave on his golf course. But Donald IS going down...and there are more than a dozen reasons why...
Unfortunately, one of my closest male friends does *not* care or acknowledge this. He has sisters, a daughter, a mother and many friends who he purportedly cares deeply about, including myself. I tried to explain to him how deeply hurtful his dismissal of this is, but he simply said “there’s an appeal pending” or something like that.
That’s deflection by your friend. And for those who might think that it’s long ago so doesn’t matter or isn’t true, trust me, when a guy does something like that to you, we remember like it was yesterday.
And really, I try to understand his point of view. Hes had issues with bad first marriage and later some over criminalization of minor domestic disputes with his teenaged daughter. And TBH I’ve questioned his side of that story in retrospect.
I have to believe that the veil will be lifted soon and sane people will finally see the truth about the orange stain. He must not ever again sit behind the resolute desk again. He is a scourge. Women are not nor will ever be safe with him around. He is a disgrace and an abomination.
I don’t understand how any woman could vote for Donald. I also feel that men should not want a president that is this abhorrent that talks about women and acts like this with women. I know my husband and adult son would not ever want to vote for any such person. Donald is a disgrace.
He comes from a time when one could be a big DOUCHE or a MONSTER, completely subhuman & people would give them a pass because they were public figures. This included the Kennedys.
The Kennedys weren’t angels at all, but they weren’t psychopathic traitors who loved fascism and autocrats and who wanted to destroy our democracy. It’s not “just” Trump’s and his followers misogyny that terrifies me; it’s his psychopathy and desire to be a dictator.
It's kept me awake on many an evening. Trump's consistent, pretty much constant obsession with gloom, doom, his " only *I* can save our country ! " & lack of any concrete solutions from the Thuglicans except " BLAME Democrats / Liberals, etc. " is making people turn away from the Talking Trash Fire. It's like an endless loop.
I sure hope they turn away from the TTF (great label!) to Harris/Walz. I’m terrified and furious that so many are voting for him. I’ve lost a good friend because I can’t be friends with a fascist-supporter. I won’t even watch the election returns on November 5. Too scared. Of course, I’ll find out soon enough. Good luck to all of us.
It's just a shame that some women will vote for him. He shouldn't get a single vote from them.
Self-respecting Men should not vote for him .
That statement I really agree with. Men should all understand what women are saying and ''Do not vote for a sex offender''
Trump would be banned from your kids school and most workplace’s in the country. He should also be ineligible for a security clearance SF86 just from his multiple bankruptcies alone.
Self-respecting PEOPLE should not vote for donald...which is really a vote for vance. And why vote for vance?
Trump’s enablers just want to get him thru the finish line and get things ready to install evil incarnate JD Vance who will rival Putin. A man void of morals, decency and integrity. Zero respect for women or any laws. The perfect Hitler.
I couldn't have said it better myself Vance I a woman hater if you don't have kids I'm 72 abd I never had kids even though I was married 34 years I'm a widow for 5 years
So true I saw this coming months ago and don't forget about Vance's bestie Don Jr. who he will promote!!!
Cause Vance is a misogynist asshat just like the Orange douche.. needs reminder of women needing to carry menstruation cards ??!!!? WTAF
What??! Cards for menstruation? I have not heard that one yet? Eww!!
I know a lot of people think that this is all Peter Thiel's setup for Vance to take over. But I'm not so sure it will happen, even if that is Thiel's plan.
Trump has always looked out for number one and doesn't trust anyone. I'm sure he's figured out by now that Vance is a potential power rival. So I'm sure he'll stock his Cabinet with his most loyal toadies and/or family members, so he can't be 25'd.
He also now has immunity for "official acts." which he could interpret any way he chooses, should anyone challenge him.
Remember what he had planned for Pence.
That just sounds so, cockamamie!! Yet it's happening!🤬
MAGAT + SELF - RESPECTING = type mismatch.
And I have no intention of doing so.
Or what?
For the life of me, I can't understand why any woman would vote for him.
I don't understand it myself. He is such a sick pervert. And he's even paid off kids he assaulted.
Sexual perverts should not be allowed to purchase nor use Viagra.
I think Kamala will win just because I cannot imagine living thru the next four years of hell that trump would bring upon us.
Unfortunately if that Felon wins he may never leave
That's his plan from the beginning he will never leave after 4 years that's why he is telling people to vote and they won't have to vote again. Then his sons dumb and dumber will be put in charge when he dies or before. He has planned this all out for the past 4 years+ and he tells us every day. BELEIVE HIM he will turn the United States in to Russia. We should be really scared.
True that. That's why we have to get out and vote.
Because those are seriously sick if they vote for Trump. Women are dying because of him, especially in Texas, so if your a women and vote for him you are sick.
Low self esteem.
They definitely have some patriarchal daddy issues. That and John Wayne tough guy fantasies he fulfills.
Edythe Kirk, holding Kamala-Waltz signs in MA, right across the street were Women for T(can’t bear to even spell out his deplorable name!). The man handing out our signs said about them: ‘it’s an oxymoron!’ Of course those women wouldn’t recognize that
4 syllable word. I’m beginning to think that many of these women have been
either incested and are unconsciously identifying with the perpetrator, or enjoy being subservient. Subservient position: don’t have to think out of the box. **I did happen to notice that almost every single one of those women were obviously overweight, 9 out of 9.
Neither can I.
Most likely the promise of getting them mega rich! Seems like that's all those kinds want...?
Let's try another approach. I can't understand why any man would vote for him. It says more about the male species than about the female. By voting for him, men are indicating their tacit approval of his actions. They may not engage in such actions, but they don't find it so repugnant that they won't vote for this creature who exalts man's basest nature. As for the women? Stockholm syndrome. Misogyny, the majority political party in this country.
Let's try another approach, why would ANYONE vote for him other than insanely wealthy people who feel like they have not reaped all the windfall that they are entitled to.
Not only wealthy people. Have you seen interviews with some of those maga supporters? I swear some of them escapef from the local insane asylum. That's what I think of when I think of tRumps maggots.
I wonder, too if these men realize their tacit approval is being internalized by the women around them.
There are many reasons women don't want to report but would a daughter, for example, trust asking a father for help who is so enthusiastic towards a rapist? Would she even want him to find out? Would she question which side he is on and just not want to test it? Even if it is an unconscious thought. Do these men consider this?
I'm reminded of the "stay virginal for daddy" dances.
Creepy and grossly inappropriate.
Oh I so agree!! Morgan!!
Absolutely inappropriate.
If any father feels like that then a daughter's relationship with him would be strictly superficial if any at all. Of course she would never tell him anything meaningful but a father like that probably wouldn't care.
Surely women can't want 20 stone of the creepiest man after them.
Trump regards ALL women as available. Magas first in the queue.
No the don’t think about anything once inducted into Drumpf World
I wonder if the men don’t admire him in a weird way. 😢
If these men only knew how repulsive he is to women they wouldn’t be admiring him at all!
They do! He gets away with doing things they wish they could do with impunity. If you notice, those that support him are either extremely wealthy (buttering their own bread) or those in lower income brackets who want to stick it to the Man for their own lives which are are often affected negatively by their own actions, drug use, crime, Domestic violence. They are envious of his ability to get away with breaking every law, social and ethical law known to man. He preys on their anger, feeds it. They are often not well educated, believing owning an arsenal of weapons is much more important than sacrificing their own obsession for the safety of others. Inherently selfish, they do not seem to understand that left wing government is so much better for them financially than right wing "freedom"(which isn't freedom at all! They are sucked in to his depravity. It's a sad state the world is in at the minute.
Tracy; Well said! I thoroughly agree.
MS Sweet...so concise...so eloquently stated.
He’s totally disgusting and no woman should vote for this so called man. He’s been handed everything to him and never has been able to manage his affairs. So many bankruptcies , and selling of products is insane really.He is far from masculine and actually repulsive. He is a poor excuse for a man.
He's a poor excuse for a human being. Trump isn't even human anymore; animals behave better than he does. He is just a disgusting maggot.
Yes he is abd so is Vance
YES!!!
I don't admire him. All his macho stuff is bs. He us a weakling
Sadly, many do admire his lawlessness and bluster. They get a chubby thinking about raping little girls. Women are always the target of these sickos.
Nope
Donable Lector is the Mt Everest of the creepy old man down the street who gets off on molesting women of all ages. If anyone needs to be deported, it is the slimmy deranged sexual deviants that grovel into Maggot Nazi rallies.....they worship the Orange Melting Pumpkin that hates America........so get rid of these traitors.
Men definitely DO admire EVERYTHING about him!
Here is a man's perspective, which may seem strange in some ways: One of the many reasons I would not vote for him is that he can get away with things that I, as an XY-carrying Homo sapiens, would like to do, but I cannot. If I tried, I would probably not be able to get away with it. Therefore, I also dislike him for this reason and would not vote for him. This may sound like a twisted perspective, but it is what it is. After all, I am human.
Very twisted
Are you saying you would like to violate women and get away with it?
No. I just wanted to share my perspective on the topic.
Homo sum; humani nil a me alienum puto. (I am human; nothing human is alien to me.)
Quoting an old saw in Latin doesn't make what you said any more smart or interesting. If the 'men' that vote for him really think like you do, then there's no hope for the human species. I can see why birth rates are falling worldwide; women now have the option not to reproduce with such vile specimens and there are sadly a lot of you losers about...
With reactions like this, I’m almost considering to vote for him. But it is too late for me, I already mailed it in. Maybe next time I’ll keep my options open.
Thanks for your honesty. I think I would like some of your other reasons better.
I understand what you are saying. But I think that many other men are voting FOR him precisely for the reasons you're voting against him. They'd like to get away with everything he has, too. And if he's elected, they hope that they'll be able to rape, pillage and loot along with him.
If he does become the dictator he aspires to be, they're in for a rude awakening.
Only the king gets to do as he pleases.
If these aren’t AI generated responses, then you’re beyond twisted. You may have some of the same social pathologies as the object of your desire.
I wholeheartedly agree that it’s the MEN who vote for DJT that shock ME, displaying how THEY would LOVE to be in Trump’s position, getting away with sexual assaults, marrying Eastern European models, and doing whatever criminal acts he desires by scaring people off with his big money!
Not only a shame. Incomprehensible. These behaviors from anyone should make all civilized people nauseous. It’s repulsive.
D's lifetime pattern of reprehensible behavior casts him as the ultimate of boors, yes rapists. As Mary has pointed out, he has gotten away with all this for his entire life and so
he has no incentive to correct his evil ways. He will deny it all to his dying breath.
Look at what "The Real Winemaker" says in comments above. If he really is representative of what many men think, then I reckon women will have to re-evaluate how 'civilized' their husbands, father and sons really are, in truth...
I do not think like him. However, a high percentage of men I have known do. That is why most of my friends are women.
I take minor issue about saying “will have to re-evaluate how ‘civilizized’ ….”. Re-evaluate? Life for most women has been a shit-show for thousands of years till the present. The percentage of “civilized” men who actually think about women’s issues and perspectives is quite low throughout the world and likely much less than 50% in the USA.
Unfortunately, there are many women who go along with these attitudes.
And people have wondered why I didn't marry! This discussion is pointing out how depraved and disgusting men are for the most part. Why purposely saddle yourself with these people. It's a weakness.
I know a few women who never married. All of them are independent thinkers which appears to be anathema in our society.
I think it would be better to question whether anything realwinemaker said is actually from a human. The responses seem far too perfectly crafted and some of them don’t address a point. Also, who parenthetically states the use of an emphasized US is not a reference to the United States, unless coming from a foreign bad-actor. The only real thing these responses accomplished was to distract and divide.
That clueless asshole (the real winemaker) does not represent me.
It's a huge shame that any men or women will vote for him! Or, any of the Republicans in Congress. Wake up people!
I think this disappoints me the most because they are our elected officials and they should have protected us from him years ago. And impeached him. No matter the consequence.
Amen
I think that for some women, there's a certain appeal to being totally submissive. If you let someone else dominate you, that person (in their minds) will protect you and provide for you. You don't have to take any responsibility for your own well being and actions.
Of course, the idea that a man will take care of you forever if you let him dominate you is disproved every day in divorce court and women's shelters, but it's psychologically powerful and culturally supported in many communities.
Sadly, the world's major religions encourage people to be blind followers and to "believe" rather than think. They also encourage women to submit themselves to men's authority and to accept a secondary role in all aspects of life.
If you grow up in that sort of household, it's hard for a girl to develop the self-confidence to feel that they can make their own way in the world and think independently.
My father told me as a young child--be kind to people but above all---Do Not take any crap from males. If you are in a situation that you have trouble handling---Come tell me and I will handle it.. And he DID.
Now THAT is a real father! Good for him--and you! You for being willing to trust and him for keeping his word to take care of the situation.
I think girls need to be taught how to handle and defend themselves in all situations, rather than depending on a male to do it for them.
As a widow I experienced the cultural pressure to be paired up to the extent of being publicly taunted and socially shunned because I didn't "have" a man. I remember thinking - oh, no one told me I was supposed to climb in when my husband was being cremated.
I married again several years later. He was abusive, greedy, entitled to sex, money, adoration when in reality he was a self absorbed, unattractive and exceedingly stupid man. The first separation was a month after our wedding. I filed for divorce less than a year later. He stalked me for several years and eventually assaulted me.
I had fallen into the fairy tale trap that he would always take care of me. In reality I am very lucky to be alive and I will never again partner with a man as long as the dominant culture refuses to acknowledge the part they have played in setting up the abuse of millions of women and the lack of support available when we are abused. The fact is that in some of my lower moments I wish he had killed me. Perhaps then he would suffer some consequences and I would be at peace and free of fear.
I find it incomprehensible that any person in possession of any sort of ethical or family values could possibly think that Donald Trump belongs in the Oval Office. Trump is immoral and amoral - his own words, repeated endlessly at his rallies, define him. He speaks openly about his authoritarian plans, yet his voters just brush it off as "political rhetoric". "Owning the Libs." But the evidence shows that it's far more than that. He abuse the office before, when there were still some people of integrity in key positions. They won't be there this time. How on Earth could anyone see that as a good thing?????????
47% in 2016
53% in 2020
White Women voters for both 'Rump and MAGA Local/State candidates that enable Handmaid's Tale legislation.
WHITE WOMEN VOTERS 18 TO 100! THIS HAS TO CHANGE IN 2024!!! ESPECIALLY AFTER DOBBS AND EVERY DISGUSTING NEWS REPORT OF 'RUMP'S PREDATORY HISTORY!!!
Women who vote for him are the ones who have been brainwashed they're not good enough, who want to take a back seat in their life and feel safer having some BIG MAN telling them what to do. If you have your will broken with "blanket training" or grow up never learning to have healthy boundaries, you end up with a lack of self worth and support these types of men.
I agree completely. It's appalling that anyone will vote for him.
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What is wrong with those women? Who raised them?
Not some women, he will get a solid majority of white women pulling the lever for him.
Then they're expressing their hate and fear of "the other"
It’s a bigger shame that a majority of men will vote for him. For once, let’s place some blame on the biggest demographic that supports him.
I know what I thought the 1st time I heard “that”guy’s voice, disgust and repulsion, it grated on down to my very soul. The tone of his voice had a fake, yucky ick to it, of someone trying too hard, the word smarmy came to mind. I felt goosebumps on my skin. I wanted to flee, get as far away as I possibly could to protect myself. Even though, that creepy voice was coming from the tv. It was way too similar to one I’d heard growing up from my father, when he got a certain look in his eyes. He’d tried to cozy up, in a way that just didn’t feel right, when I was about 9 years old.
It was after my mother had gotten very upset about something, and wasn’t like herself. She wasn’t happy, and didn’t want to talk to my dad. She wouldn’t tell him why. At first he tried to get me to talk to her, to see if she would tell me what was wrong. She wasn’t talking to me either. I was scared, dad finally gave up trying to talk to my mom, just said I was the only one who would listen. He started coming into my room at night to talk, he started laying down next to me. Asked me if I was lonely,cause she didn’t seem to talk much to me either. I said yes, she didn’t say much to me too.
Then he told me I was almost as big as mom, she was tiny. I could wear her shoes already, I’d fit into her high heels, she’d been surprised, when I told her I tried them on! I said That upset her, but he laughed, and told me she was only 4’9” tall. Already, in 4th grade, I was the same height and size as my mom, but I looked like a little girl. Then my dad sounded wistful, you remind me of your mom when I first met her, before we got married. Did you know she dated my brother, Uncle Kenny before I met her?
Surprised, “No, really? He’s even bigger and taller than you daddy!!” How tall is he? “6’3” and he was 240#’s even then, a big guy, your mom looked like a girl, like you.”
My dad was 6’ and 185# then, still trim. A handsome man with black hair and blue eyes, at times I’d overheard him described as a “ladies man,” for being complimentary to wives of their friends, after telling my mom how lovely she looked. He Alway’s did that. His eyes lit up whenever my mom dressed up, looked pretty when they went out.
What I also noticed, how she couldn’t seem to accept the Compliment. It seemed to embarrass, flustered her. She’d reject it. He’d wince, act hurt, try to cover it, by complimenting the rest of the ladies. I appreciated it when he gave them to me and said thank you. Didn’t get what why she acted that way.
But, after that time when I was 9, something did happen: I overheard her tell a friend a friend of my dad’s tried to “come on to her” and she was horrified, angry, furious, offended. Make it clear to him, he was Rude, how dare he. Got furious at my dad, refused to have the guy & his wife seen as a couple ever again, was furious with my dad because, he wasn’t insulted at the guy’s behavior. He’d seen it as a compliment my mom was desirable! She was now livid with my dad, Not speaking with him for his attitude, unforgivable in her mind.
After that, he started cozying up to me, instead of her. Too young to understand any of this, I just knew, neither one was there For me! And what he was trying to do was Not Appropriate, unwanted by me. So I Got Defensive with my dad, found was to Keep trying to push him away. Mostly by keeping my dog in my room. Turning away from him, out talking him, asking him lots of questions- trying to distract him. I got tired of him calling my mom as “poor, innocent, little, mama.” My thoughts were always, What about me?” I’m supposed to be a kid, in 4th grade! Years later, In therapy, I learned the WORD Boundaries!
There were Missing Boundaries in my Parent’s Lives, so of course, when They ran into Problem’s Neither of them Had Normal Boundaries! I Needed And Deserved Healthy Normal Boundaries! Did the Best to Give them to Myself, To hold back Needy Adults, who never got Their Normal Needs Met, and In their inner desperations, tried to get them met from Inappropriate Kids or People!
Back to Trump….THIS IS WHAT HE DOES-DEMAND & / Or PUSHES PAST, TAKE WHAT HE WANTS. IGNORES BOUNDARIES/ SNEERS / Out of his Desperate Inner Needs, Never Met. He has No BOUNDARIES - ASSAULTS WOMEN
We VOTE NO TO THE ASSAULTER!
Oh yes - tons of women will vote for this monster. Especially in the south.
Am discouraged at the signal the maga wives are sending to their daughters
This isn't the 40s or 50s, this kind of crap shouldn't be allowed to happen or sanctioned when it does. Then OR now.
You’re right it shouldn’t but here we are
WTF HAPPENED to " enlightened " 20th / 21st century people ?
There are some just nit among the Rafael crowd
They’ve been degraded to the point of degeneracy.
Signal??? How about OVERT ENCOURAGEMENT AND APPROVAL??
I’m astonished that any woman or person of colour would vote for Trump.
SO AM I ..
A woman neighbour of mine has this weird hate for other women.....as a guy, I do not really understand this at all. Could this kind of feeling bring a women to sell out another and vote for the Orange serial rapist???
Years ago, an ex girlfriend of mine got sucked into a cult........I would get notes under my door from these freaks to stay away........totally understand the power of Donable Lector's capability to be a psycopathic cult leader.
It IS a cult he leads, since his followers have lost their critical thinking skills since they are never convinced by facts, they just endlessly repeat what Trump and his Republican followers say!, they are emotionally hooked!
There are a lot of studies, both cultural and psychological, how women are coerced to oppress other women. I grew up with a grandmother who always said her one daughter ruined the family of 5 sons...
Same here!
Or Jew. After all he’s done to show Jews what he really thinks of us.
Mary, I know what I think, too. As chilling as Stacey Williams' story is, what got to me most was where you said he has "a patriarchal fantasy of the subjugation, infantilization, and sexualized punishment of women". To me that screams that he is a pedophile. I've always wondered about that, knowing that he sexualized Ivanka even when she was a baby.
He’s obviously a pedophile in my view!, look how happy he was teaming up with Jeffrey Epstein! Birds of a feather flock together.
I appreciate that we see it the same way.
I didn't think the weird sexual overtones and undertones of Trump and his Cult could be any more nauseatingly inappropriate. And then I heard Tucker spin his perverted fantasy.
That was beyond creepy. That was a permission slip for violence against women who don't do what they want, or do what they're told. The scariest part of this whole nonsense is how popular it is.
I’ve been saying for months that Trump lovers are dying for a “Daddy” that will take care of everything. None of that messy grown-up Democracy for them!
The cultists fail to realize that Trump won’t take care of anybody but himself! We can see that people mean nothing to him !! I don’t and never will understand anyone that would vote for this monster!!
Ugh. It was creepy, repulsive and an out loud bunch of evidence that he needs serious therapy for his mommy issues.
All of us who have voted, or will vote for Kamala DO care. None of the magats care one bit.
Just have to say that after receiving my Kamala - Removes Stubborn Orange Stains shirt about a month ago, I have found that any woman who is nice to me is a MAGA gal. I had thought that meant they accepted the worst sort of manners, lies ad infinitum, demonization of the "other", and all sorts of inhumane policies. Now I realize many of them are simply uninformed, and are parroting the people in their lives they look up to. I hope people will be able to look for the good in each other when this is all over.
I’ll find it very hard to see the good in those who support fascism. Ignorance is not a good excuse, especially now, when there are so many choices of media available.
True, it's impossible to sympathize with people who really are aware of these plans and support him anyway, but it seems like most of his supporters gained their opinions from other people, and those people watch Faux News or Newsmax and are not even told about all the bad things the Hater in Chief plans for the nation and has done personally. I know Thomas Jefferson said the only security of all lies in a free press, but having a subset of the press being a disinformation industry turned out to be very costly.
I agree with your analysis. Again, however, I can’t find good in “the good Germans” of WW2, and if these “good Americans” elect Trump, there’s no good in them, either. Being a good person is caring about the less fortunate; not demonizing people who don’t look like you or belong to your religion or don’t have “the American family” as their ideal. And not electing a man who mocked a disabled reporter on TV, for the world to see. There’s no excuse for these people.
I’m tired of people, including the media, explaining why ordinary people are voting for a man convicted of sexual assault; a felon who cozies up to dictators; and on and on. I understand WHY they’re entranced by him: they live in small towns or rural communities or are rich mfers who DGAF about anything but themselves — and don’t look now, but maybe they ain’t too bright. I know that they’ll smile even at strangers and welcome newcomers to their block. All Auntie Bea and Sheriff Andy. And go to church. And kill our country without being smart enough to really want to do it. As my mother would say: “Feh!” 😡
I think many are not enthralled with him at all. Just so uninformed they actually believe he was good for the economy. I find it hard to excuse the fact they do not care about access to reproductive healthcare, but I had a friend who had previously had a tubal pregnancy and used to hang out with a bunch of gals who were social workers, teachers, worked for C.P.S. or child probation and can't help wonder if all the horror stories I've heard are just not as common as I have believed. And to be totally honest, yes some women have liked my shirt and were nice before and now they are even nicer -too bad they are 18-20 years old. I'm hoping Gen-Z will turn out in such numbers that we don't have the gift of a second tRump presidency. If we do, like the first one, it will be a gift from cranky old people.
The fact is many people in the United States are poorly educated. This is a big part of the issue. Because they're under-educatrd they're working two jobs maybe three jobs don't and don't have time to listen to politics of what's going on around them. But what they do recognize is a strong man who's willing, he says, to help them out of their predicament. That's exactly what they're looking for and that's exactly what they are promised. What they don't know is that it's all a bunch of lies.
Poorly educated, hardworking people (often immigrants) used to be Democrats and were very suspicious of Republicans in general (for good reason). I agree that most of these Trump supporters don’t have the time (or interest) to follow politics. But why did they fall for a con man from NYC, far from their peaceful little country towns filled with cows and barns and meth addicts? Trump IS a master at conning. And I know well that not only rubes have fallen for his many wiles: my close friend (now former) with a Master’s degree is now a Trumpist. She’s from Queens, too, and used to be a liberal….
I’m spent and going to bed (night owl).
From my experience with close relatives and friends that have been brainwashed by Fox News, they just refuse to believe it and others are so used to bad behavior by men towards women they just shrug their shoulders.
Yes! It’s so sad I saw one woman in an interview at a rally actually saying those women were lucky.. that she wishes Trump would grab her by the ****! How terrible is it that these rallies have made women feel so subjugated 😔
That made me throw up in my mouth a little. These people really are brainwashed.
They sure are. But how’d WE avoid getting the Trump disease? And why didn’t they? Maybe they lived his racism and misogyny, right from the start?
I'm sorry I don't necessarily agree with you. Yes these women are brainwashed but many of these women and men magas appear to be mentally ill people off the street. Very crazy.
Crazy; weird.
This is sickening!!!
That just took "ewwww" to a whole new level.
let's just call this out as a War on Women
That means over half of white women are in on it.
That also means half of white women are not.
Still stunning to see how many go along with it. I doubt that a great percentage are even really aware of the entirety of his agenda, they learned a positive opinion of the man from the people in their lives.
There are a Lot of brainwashed people, sadly.
Not THIS White women!
Agreed
Not only do they not care but they are encouraging it. I'm sure their internal polling is telling them that they are losing women badly and they have decided to double down on young men. We hear all this talk about a Civil War but what they really want is a gender based war.
I think you hit the nail on the head. And it’s horrifying that they feel (probably rightfully) that the way to appeal to young male voters is to perpetuate the idea that the subjugation and sexualization of women, even girls, is just dandy.
I see, and understand, what you're saying. And you're absolutely right they want a gender war. But since there are men that support women they will also have a civil war.
I never knew that there be so many women that would defend this. Even one that got beat up by her ex husband years ago …incredible
He physically assaulted his first wife and pulled her hair out.
And perhaps even contributed to her death down the staircase and her burial in his cemetery golf course for tax purposes.
THIS!!!^^^^ My VERY first thought when I read about how Ivana died was that it was no accident. And that she’s buried on his New Jersey golf course property makes it not subject to her body being exhumed. I would be curious as to what exactly is in that coffin.
I'm pretty sure the motives for burying her in his golf course were more nefarious than tax consequences. I have no clue about the laws up there, but it seems as if it would be much harder to exhume her body and contents of casket from private property. Not impossible, but he could tie it up in so much red tape he'd be dead by the time it was approved.
And their children allowed this disrespectful and shady treatment of their mother, they are as bad as he is, if not worse.
If you declare your business a cemetery, you don't need to pay any taxes. So his golf course is free and clear now and for forever. And I agree with you, he threw some other worthy shit in there that he cared about more than he cared about the mother of his precious Ivanka.
Stockholm Syndrome?
This I think
Yes!
Such a cocktail of self-loathing.
I was attacked by a reader who said I was abusing Don's reputation as a champion for women! Wow! I sent the person a picture of Ivanka's overgrown grave on his golf course. But Donald IS going down...and there are more than a dozen reasons why...
https://barrygander.substack.com/p/14-indicators-that-give-kamala-the
Nice post, Barry. I subscribed. Let's hope you're right.
Many do not.
Unfortunately, one of my closest male friends does *not* care or acknowledge this. He has sisters, a daughter, a mother and many friends who he purportedly cares deeply about, including myself. I tried to explain to him how deeply hurtful his dismissal of this is, but he simply said “there’s an appeal pending” or something like that.
That’s deflection by your friend. And for those who might think that it’s long ago so doesn’t matter or isn’t true, trust me, when a guy does something like that to you, we remember like it was yesterday.
Oh, and he’s not your friend really.
Sad
By far most criminal and civil appeals at every level of our court systems (local, state, and federal) are lost by the appellant.
And really, I try to understand his point of view. Hes had issues with bad first marriage and later some over criminalization of minor domestic disputes with his teenaged daughter. And TBH I’ve questioned his side of that story in retrospect.
I was and am heartbroken to learn that about someone I’d known for 40 years.
I have to believe that the veil will be lifted soon and sane people will finally see the truth about the orange stain. He must not ever again sit behind the resolute desk again. He is a scourge. Women are not nor will ever be safe with him around. He is a disgrace and an abomination.
Obviously there are too many Just Like Him!
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I don’t understand how any woman could vote for Donald. I also feel that men should not want a president that is this abhorrent that talks about women and acts like this with women. I know my husband and adult son would not ever want to vote for any such person. Donald is a disgrace.
Without consequences behavior will continue. Followers wish to be like him.
He comes from a time when one could be a big DOUCHE or a MONSTER, completely subhuman & people would give them a pass because they were public figures. This included the Kennedys.
The Kennedys weren’t angels at all, but they weren’t psychopathic traitors who loved fascism and autocrats and who wanted to destroy our democracy. It’s not “just” Trump’s and his followers misogyny that terrifies me; it’s his psychopathy and desire to be a dictator.
It's kept me awake on many an evening. Trump's consistent, pretty much constant obsession with gloom, doom, his " only *I* can save our country ! " & lack of any concrete solutions from the Thuglicans except " BLAME Democrats / Liberals, etc. " is making people turn away from the Talking Trash Fire. It's like an endless loop.
I sure hope they turn away from the TTF (great label!) to Harris/Walz. I’m terrified and furious that so many are voting for him. I’ve lost a good friend because I can’t be friends with a fascist-supporter. I won’t even watch the election returns on November 5. Too scared. Of course, I’ll find out soon enough. Good luck to all of us.
It's aspirational. They want to abuse power, and never face consequences.